Losing my mind!!!

[JesseD]

OK I read through trough Ermac's and AbsoluteDestinys guide. It helped some things. I am Australian=25fps and PAL DVDs. I will not buy NTSC stuff online to get exsactly the same of what I have here.

So the guide doesn't help a lot after all. I need help with AVS scripts and what not. OK, I own all of Dragon Ball, every movie,every special, almost all of DBZ and none DBGT. That is a lot of footage to go through. Not to mention that it's all on DVD.

Okay, there guide on IVTC doesn't help one bit. I rip my DVDs at angle 2(Japanese angle), I clip the VOB into individual episodes and save them to .d2v in DGindex(I can encode DVDs better than a multi-million dollar corporation. They get paid to do it. Bastards). I make a script.

Note that I'm experimenting with the Goku vs. Piccolo fight. So I did what they said to IVTC. My script looks like this:

mpeg2source("F:\DBEP147.d2v") *Dragon Ball Episode 147*
Telecide(order=1,guide=2)

I can't use 'force film' 'cuz it don't work on 25fps stuff. There still is those fucked-up horizontal lines. I do have one NTSC DVD though. I put my Pokemon DVD in and the opening is interlaced and the is movie progressive and the ending is interlaced. Being NTSC and FILM98% I used forcd film. DID NOT work. To kick the poor dead horse I used Telecide and Decimate. *Insert dramatic music here* it didn't work either! And yes I tried using order 0. There must be someting I'm doing wrong. I hate Anime as of now. My Wrath Of The Dragon DVD that DGindex said was Progressive? It still has those lines, I assume it was interlaced encoded as progresive. I followed the guide about that and it didn't do shit for me.

So nothing works for me. I made a HuffYUV of the script hoping that the lines might just be there for whatever reasons. Still those horrible lines.

So with the aforementioned script I went through the guide and wound up at the Visual Quality Post-Procsessing guide. Almost everything can be used for pre-procsessing though. I tryed everything. The visual quality looked fairly decent in VirtualDubMod. I tried cropping and the like. Pretty much took a taste of everthing. Good Fun.

The Deen filter. I did: "a3d,4,10,10" Something like that. All was good. I tried FluxSmooth. A horror story. In the text editor I typed: fluxsmooth(7,7). That's how the guide said to do it. I played the file in Windows Media Player and it says there was no function called Fluxsmooth.

I went to VirtualDubMod's Script Editor because that will generally tell you if you if a command is wrong. This time I typed 'FluxSmooth(7,7)' it said it worked! I press F7 to load it and VDub crashed. 2 tries later... same thing. So the light Bulb comes on!!! Try it in the text editor!!! Same trip: no such thing as FluxSmoother. I checked my plugins folder, the plugin is in there. I tried the LoadPlugin command to no avail. Combining Deen and FluxSmooth seems to be mandatory.

Rainbow removing and Line Sharpening went great. I have no idea what masking and bluring is though. Tweaking the colors is interesting and can yeild great affects.

So pretty much I'm wasting my life away doing this. I refuse to buy my DVD sets over again unless it's the Dragon Boxes of course. So will somebody please help me. I will not read any guides unless they are of some relevance.

[BasharOfTheAges]

Did you look at the section in EADFAG on "Full Field Blended Sources" - that may be your issue right there.

[Zarxrax]

In the guide it says for PAL sources it is ALMOST NEVER telecined, so using telecide isn't the way to go. You need to deinterlace.

[CerebralAssamite]

To be honest here I'm not technically sound when it comes to avisync.. however I am from Australia myself and I do buy Pal DvD's so were in the same boat there..
After some help (thanks to Eva-Fan) I am currently tearing NGE apart for a mep, however it was brought to my attention that also my dvd's are 25fps..

My resolution? Zarxrax has it.. I ran it through dgindex then plopped it into premiere.. i noticed that when you go into a clips advanced options you get a choice to interlace, de-interlace (something), and flicker removal.. this is of course if you use premiere.. if you don't however the guide tells you how to do it otherwise through avisync.
I just find Premiere to be more user friendly when it comes to de-interlacing than vegas. But that's me.

[Qyot27]

Granted, as I have no experience with PAL sources I don't know if this'll work, but

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TomsMoComp(1,15,1)

should deinterlace the footage satisfactorily. If you've got full field blending, though, then other solutions should be tried first as improperly deinterlacing something will make it look even more like crap.

[Qyot27]

Combining Deen and FluxSmooth seems to be mandatory.

Combining them isn't mandatory. Deen will work fine by itself - I'd generally recommend trying the "w3d" mode and keeping it constrained to values of 3,10,12 at the most.

To be perfectly honest, I feel that the Visual Quality guide provides a bad model for average anime releases nowadays - the sources used in the guide had absolutely shitty quality and people just tend to take the values and plug them in for whatever source they have - whether it's that terrible or not. Using values that strong on the normative releases nowadays will make them look bad because it's overfiltering them, like the oversmoothed, Warpsharped-up-the-ass fansubs that are still common as we speak.

[Scintilla]

To be perfectly honest, I feel that the Visual Quality guide provides a bad model for average anime releases nowadays - the sources used in the guide had absolutely shitty quality and people just tend to take the values and plug them in for whatever source they have - whether it's that terrible or not. Using values that strong on the normative releases nowadays will make them look bad because it's overfiltering them, like the oversmoothed, Warpsharped-up-the-ass fansubs that are still common as we speak.

Yeah, not to mention all the people that use <b>ColorYUV(gain_u=15)</b> without stopping to think about what it DOES.

Thankfully, the new beta guides take a much more general approach, giving examples from multiple different sources and showing you what it looks like when you overdo it.

[Autraya]

Granted, as I have no experience with PAL sources I don't know if this'll work, but

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TomsMoComp(1,15,1)

15? I only use it at 5 (mostly).

Often Tomsmocomp gives me ghosting (on PAL) and it's basicly what I use 90% of the time for PAL sources.

a recent conversation on this
Aut "Prod halp i can't get me de-interlace to work properly, telecide is leaving interlacing lines, tomsmocomp has ghosting any other ideas other than getting NTSC dvds?"
Prod "nope you're screwed"

so lesser of two evils i use tomsmocomp