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Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Post by JudgeHolden » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm

So, I bought this higher end Blu-Ray player http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/sto ... 1666077660 , and I have just used it to playback a bunch of AMVs from a USB driver. Needless to say, they look amazing on my HDTV (even better than they looked on my comp).

However, here is the issue ... some mp4s only playback the audio. :cry:

These only play audio:





These look and play freaking amazing:





So, what gives?

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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Post by NeoQuixotic » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:59 am

They probably don't fall within the profile of x264 that the player can handle. Or it might also be some particular setting used when encoding. I'll put the MediaInfo for each video so someone a little bit more in the know how of x264 can chime in. I know frequently that very high profiles like High @ 5.X, large amounts of reference frames, and large amounts of b frames usually aren't supported with most hardware decoders. It's because of this mess that I prefer to use a HTPC with a decent CPU to take care of the playback to avoid these issues, along with proper subtitle rendering.

Bad Videos
I Ain't Marryin' No Friggin' Horse!!!
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General 
Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\I Ain't Marryin' No Friggin' Horse!!! - ZaCloud.mp4 
Format : MPEG-4 
Format profile : Base Media 
Codec ID : isom 
File size : 54.1 MiB 
Duration : 3mn 27s 
Overall bit rate : 2 190 Kbps 
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51 
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L5.1 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames 
Codec ID : avc1 
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding 
Duration : 3mn 27s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 2 060 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 5 974 Kbps 
Width : 704 pixels 
Height : 400 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 16:9 
Frame rate mode : Constant 
Frame rate : 29.970 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.244 
Stream size : 50.8 MiB (94%) 
Writing library : x264 core 58 svn-736 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=1 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=crf / crf=20.0 / rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:51 
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55 

Audio 
ID : 2 
Format : AAC 
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec 
Format version : Version 4 
Format profile : LC 
Format settings, SBR : No 
Codec ID : 40 
Duration : 3mn 27s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 127 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 154 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 2 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L R 
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz 
Stream size : 3.14 MiB (6%) 
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55 
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-15 05:20:55 

Out of Control
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General 
Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\Out of Control - Kain-x-spirits.mp4 
Format : MPEG-4 
Format profile : Base Media 
Codec ID : isom 
File size : 84.8 MiB 
Duration : 3mn 0s 
Overall bit rate : 3 947 Kbps 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L5.0 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames 
Codec ID : avc1 
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding 
Duration : 3mn 0s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 3 635 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 12.1 Mbps 
Width : 1 280 pixels 
Height : 720 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 16:9 
Frame rate mode : Constant 
Frame rate : 23.976 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.165 
Stream size : 78.1 MiB (92%) 
Writing library : x264 core 93 r1538 bd72d46 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.40:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=10 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=2:1.00 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:29 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:36 

Audio 
ID : 2 
Format : AAC 
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec 
Format version : Version 4 
Format profile : LC 
Format settings, SBR : No 
Codec ID : 40 
Duration : 3mn 0s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 310 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 421 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 2 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L R 
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz 
Stream size : 6.66 MiB (8%) 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:35 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-04-19 03:10:36 

Good Videos
RAH HEY!
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\RAH HEY! - Ileia.mp4 
Format : MPEG-4 
Format profile : Base Media 
Codec ID : isom 
File size : 53.8 MiB 
Duration : 3mn 25s 
Overall bit rate : 2 194 Kbps 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L3.2 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 12 frames 
Codec ID : avc1 
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding 
Duration : 3mn 25s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 2 000 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 6 668 Kbps 
Width : 848 pixels 
Height : 480 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 16:9 
Frame rate mode : Constant 
Frame rate : 24.000 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.205 
Stream size : 49.0 MiB (91%) 
Writing library : x264 core 67 r1153 7b6ce6a 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=12 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy_rd=0.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=2000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:04 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05 

Audio 
ID : 2 
Format : AAC 
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec 
Format version : Version 4 
Format profile : LC 
Format settings, SBR : No 
Codec ID : 40 
Duration : 3mn 25s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 192 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 241 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 2 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L R 
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz 
Stream size : 4.70 MiB (9%) 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-08-05 12:42:05 

Stupid Couple
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Complete name : D:\Dan\My Videos\Stupid Couple - jubjub2.mp4 
Format : MPEG-4 
Format profile : Base Media 
Codec ID : isom 
File size : 34.2 MiB 
Duration : 3mn 17s 
Overall bit rate : 1 451 Kbps 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26 

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L4.0 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames 
Codec ID : avc1 
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding 
Duration : 3mn 17s 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 1 129 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 2 806 Kbps 
Width : 720 pixels 
Height : 544 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 4:3 
Frame rate mode : Constant 
Frame rate : 29.970 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.096 
Stream size : 26.6 MiB (78%) 
Writing library : x264 core 80 r1373 4322f63 
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.4:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.60 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:26 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27 

Audio 
ID : 2 
Format : MPEG Audio 
Format version : Version 1 
Format profile : Layer 3 
Mode : Joint stereo 
Codec ID : 6B 
Duration : 3mn 17s 
Bit rate mode : Constant 
Bit rate : 320 Kbps 
Maximum bit rate : 330 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 2 channels 
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz 
Stream size : 7.55 MiB (22%) 
Writing library : LAME3.90.3 
Encoded date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27 
Tagged date : UTC 2010-05-10 12:59:27 

The bad videos seem to fall into the too high of the settings I mentioned. I didn't find any specs of the files that the player can support on the site or in the manual. Most manufactures don't have this detailed information sadly. I'd either hook up a decent machine via HDMI or re-encode offending videos that you want to throw on a USB flash drive.
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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Post by Qyot27 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:55 am

From what I've read over thus far, usually the cutoff is High@4.1, as I think that's what Blu-ray itself uses. So basically, don't exceed Blu-ray specs for the files and you should be fine. A more sure-fire solution would be to author them into a BD5/BD9 or an AVCHD disc, which should tell you which ones are compatible (and thus copied over relatively untouched) and which aren't, as well as not relying on one player's finicky specs to determine whether they'll be playable or not.
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Re: Blu-Ray Players and AMVs

Post by mirkosp » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:27 am

Basically, what Qyot said: vids need to be level 4.1 at most with BD players (although some can play higher levels just fine). One thing to note is that just setting --level 4.1 will NOT suffice on its own, as you have to meet the vbv-bufsize and vbv-maxrate limits, as well as you can't use more refs than the ones the level allows for the desired resolution/framerate. Considering that level 4.1 can do 720p60 and 1080p24 just fine (it can do up to 720p68.3 with 9 refs and 1080p30.1 with 4 refs, actually), I doubt it really is an issue for AMVs, but one never knows.
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