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... subs?

Post by Elecid » Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:21 am

is it COMPLETELY sloppy AMV etiquette to use a hi-res subbed anime that you had to download for an AMV? That is, if you cut out the subtitles in a palatable way.

say the resolution of the original source is 512 x 384?

Is it bad to use that source if you cut the subs?

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-New AMV-er with primarily hi-quality subbed anime on his comp

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Re: ... subs?

Post by SS5_Majin_Bebi » Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:31 am

Elecid wrote:is it COMPLETELY sloppy AMV etiquette to use a hi-res subbed anime that you had to download for an AMV? That is, if you cut out the subtitles in a palatable way.

say the resolution of the original source is 512 x 384?

Is it bad to use that source if you cut the subs?

Thanks
-New AMV-er with primarily hi-quality subbed anime on his comp
Yeh, its bad. Downloaded source is never a good thing. Primarily because no matter how good it looks at first, it always winds up lookin like shit. Plus, people seem to love good ol' DivX 3.11 MPEG-4 don't they, and this evil little bitch of a codec makes Adobe Premiere forget it exists, or it crashes it, or it fucks up your system.

Good way to go is capturing with a high quality capture card, and an even better way to go is getting a DVD-ROM (going for less than AU$60 these days) ripping the footage (from DVD, obviously), seeing if you can get AVIsynth to work for you (incessant failure for me; i dont know why, I think my copy of DVD2AVI is fuggered [that was not a typo. "fuggered"="fuckin buggered"]) and editing the VOB's like a bitch on speed. If AVIsynth dont work, just compress the VOB's with like, XviD set to 100% or something. Its not really lossless, but if you don't know what to spot, it will seem that way.

Hope that helps.

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Post by Elecid » Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:12 am

yes it does help, and i know that is the way to go... but unfortunately i don't have a DVD-ROM, and my motherboard doesn't even have an extra slot for one :(

i suppose i COULD get a capture card...

bah, well i just won't enter any in any competitions until i do ;)

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:46 am

Elecid wrote:yes it does help, and i know that is the way to go... but unfortunately i don't have a DVD-ROM, and my motherboard doesn't even have an extra slot for one :(
OK, it's not your motherboard that has "slots" for dvd rom drives... it's your computer case.

DVD-Rom drives also act as CD-Rom drives so you can replace your cd-rom drive..... or if it's a CD-RW then you can get a DVD-Rom/CD-RW combo drive.

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Post by Elecid » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:43 am

my bad ;)

i know i can replace it. In fact i did that, but then i can't write cd's. it's a pain in the ass but i suppose i should stop complaining and do it!

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Post by klinky » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:45 am

Elecid wrote:my bad ;)

i know i can replace it. In fact i did that, but then i can't write cd's. it's a pain in the ass but i suppose i should stop complaining and do it!

Did you read what AD said?
DVD-Rom drives also act as CD-Rom drives so you can replace your cd-rom drive..... or if it's a CD-RW then you can get a DVD-Rom/CD-RW combo drive.

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Post by BishounenStalker » Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:50 pm

SS5_Majin_Bebi wrote:Yeh, its bad. Downloaded source is never a good thing. Primarily because no matter how good it looks at first, it always winds up lookin like shit. Plus, people seem to love good ol' DivX 3.11 MPEG-4 don't they, and this evil little bitch of a codec makes Adobe Premiere forget it exists, or it crashes it, or it fucks up your system.

Good way to go is capturing with a high quality capture card, and an even better way to go is getting a DVD-ROM (going for less than AU$60 these days) ripping the footage (from DVD, obviously), seeing if you can get AVIsynth to work for you (incessant failure for me; i dont know why, I think my copy of DVD2AVI is fuggered [that was not a typo. "fuggered"="fuckin buggered"]) and editing the VOB's like a bitch on speed. If AVIsynth dont work, just compress the VOB's with like, XviD set to 100% or something. Its not really lossless, but if you don't know what to spot, it will seem that way.

Hope that helps.
Even better than that, try compressing your files into MJPEG. They'll be big files, but it's a fast little codec that makes editing a lot more comfortable. Then when you're ready to export, shove the MJPEGs into a hidden folder, load up your project file, and when Premiere asks you where your source is, point it to your nice shiny AVISynth scripts. Use AVISynth to reference the DivX files, and Premiere shouldn't give you grief ^_^

Note about downloaded footage: Yeah, it's never the best idea, but if the anime you're using is in very limited distribution, DVDs may not be available and fansub-VHS will look even worse. In my third AMV, I had no choice but to use downloaded source because One Piece's licensing status is still up in the air (Damn you, Funimation, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!! >.<). Using the available filters in VirtualDub, I actually got it to look just shy of DVD quality for the most part. See for yourself. I figured there wasn't much point in buying bootleg HK DVDs when I can just download the episodes. Sure, it's still questionable ethics, but at least my money isn't supporting the bootlegging ring :roll:
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