ok, why do some people think using fansubs is illegal? I download them off the web because of the fact that they are not licenced where i live (yet) and therefore not making them illigal to download or view, and since i do not distribute it to another party or try to sell it to anyone, i do not consider myself doing anything illegal, so why do some people think fansubs are illegal?
BTW, im asking this since i enjoy making music videos, but on my first amv that i made and uploaded to the site someone made the comment that i was using illeagally downloaded material.
why is it so bad?
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Re: why is it so bad?
Because they ARE.lokimonkey wrote:ok, why do some people think using fansubs is illegal? I download them off the web because of the fact that they are not licenced where i live (yet) and therefore not making them illigal to download or view, and since i do not distribute it to another party or try to sell it to anyone, i do not consider myself doing anything illegal, so why do some people think fansubs are illegal?
<i>It doesn't matter</i> whether or not the anime has been licensed for release yet where you live. Fansubs are still <i>unauthorized reproductions of copyrighted material</i>.
Illegal is not the same thing as unethical.
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no, they are not, most companies that make the anime know of fansubs, and they dont put a stop to it. why? because they know that through fansubs their material will get a wider audience for when their product is finally licenced in whatever country it is that it get licenced. some companies do ask for the stop of distribution of their material, but most dont. again, its because they know that this is free advertising of their product. take me for example (and im not alone in this) i download the fansubs for two reasons, one because i love anime and am willing to give any anime a chace thorugh viewing it, and two ,because if i like the product that i am watching, i will definetly buy it when it comes out on dvd in the united states. But also, i dont wait till it is out in the US, many times i buy imported anime dvds, because of the plain reason that i watched the anime thorugh fansubs.With that said, why do you (and whoever else agrees with you) still think anime fansubs are illegal?
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lokimonkey wrote:With that said, why do you (and whoever else agrees with you) still think anime fansubs are illegal?
Scintilla wrote:Because they ARE.
It doesn't matter whether or not the anime has been licensed for release yet where you live. Fansubs are still unauthorized reproductions of copyrighted material.
Illegal is not the same thing as unethical.
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again..no, youre not getting the point, companies know of fansubing. and many companies likefansubing due to the free advertising it provides them, though fansubing is not officially sanctioned by any company (that i know of) they are as well not being rushed to be taken down. Fansubing is not legal, but its also not illegal, since companies know of them, they know where the major fansubing groups are, they know wehre fansubs are distributed, and yet they do not rush to end fansubing. Its not illegal, yet it is also not officially sanctioned, so fansubing isnt exactly black and white, its gray for themost part, and the companies like grey, for example... azumaga daioh. For the most part, many people who are into anime (here in the US) would of have never heard of azumanga daioh if it were not through fansubbing, sure there are magazines articles to read, but how would you know if it was actually good or not? you wouldnt unless you gave it a try by viewing it, and not many people would take the chance of spending $20+ on anime theyve never heard about just to see if it was good or not. I (and i know many agree with me) would not go to the store and start spendidng my money on somenthing unless it was a product i would be satisfied with, fansubing lets you do taht ahead of time... anyways i regress from my main point... what im trying to say here is that i will not accept fansubing as illegal just because some people say it is. The only way I will accept fansubbing as illegal is if I see some sort of memo out ther by companies specifically declaring fansubing illegal and a threat to their bussiness.
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Not enforcing the law when a company knows about something illegal is not the same thing as it being legal. While I've disagreed with people on the forums on the legal status of AMVs in the case of fansubs it's pretty clear, they are blatantly illegal. For the most part no one enforces it, although as BMA shows at least one company has, but they are still illegal.
As a total side note, the plethora of Naruto vids should tell you exactly how concerned many AMV creators are about this.
As a total side note, the plethora of Naruto vids should tell you exactly how concerned many AMV creators are about this.
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No matter what you say, fansubs or whatever are illegal, for the simple fact that someone is distributing something they don't own or have the rights to. And that’s what copyright is there for, to ensure the rightful people get the credit and such.
It’s like TV stations, think Cartoon Network, they have to pay companies like Bandai godly amounts of money to show their programs on TV making it available to the public.
It’s the same with fansubs, it’s just a group of people making a show available on the Internet as opposed to the TV for the public to watch, the difference is that fansub groups don’t pay the companies or the licensors the distribution fees that Cartoon Network have to pay.
Imagine if Cartoon Network showed anime without buying a license from Bandai, they would get the book thrown at them in court.
We fansubbers realise that it’s illegal, so we try to keep a low profile and “do things ethically”, though many groups these days seem to ignore the ethics bit and continue to distro after a series is licensed.
The bottom line, and I suspect that when you say fansubs aren’t illegal, you mean the unlicensed ones, is that licensed or not, it’s still illegal.
As regard to the legallity of AMVs, Wallpapers (or anything else that can be considered an "original" composition using copyright material), I can't really comment on that since I don't know about the copyright laws, but I would suspect it "Isn't as bad" as distributing fansubs since it isn't in it's original form, ie. it's not really something that company has produced, but you used it's material to produce it.
Therefore that specific item isn't protected by copyright, but the containing characters are, so it's a bit of a grey area.
But all said and done, it's still illegal
We need a word filter on the BBS so that "fansubs" and "illegal" (and the like) are automatically deleted, and threads containing them are automatically rejected
It’s like TV stations, think Cartoon Network, they have to pay companies like Bandai godly amounts of money to show their programs on TV making it available to the public.
It’s the same with fansubs, it’s just a group of people making a show available on the Internet as opposed to the TV for the public to watch, the difference is that fansub groups don’t pay the companies or the licensors the distribution fees that Cartoon Network have to pay.
Imagine if Cartoon Network showed anime without buying a license from Bandai, they would get the book thrown at them in court.
We fansubbers realise that it’s illegal, so we try to keep a low profile and “do things ethically”, though many groups these days seem to ignore the ethics bit and continue to distro after a series is licensed.
The bottom line, and I suspect that when you say fansubs aren’t illegal, you mean the unlicensed ones, is that licensed or not, it’s still illegal.
As regard to the legallity of AMVs, Wallpapers (or anything else that can be considered an "original" composition using copyright material), I can't really comment on that since I don't know about the copyright laws, but I would suspect it "Isn't as bad" as distributing fansubs since it isn't in it's original form, ie. it's not really something that company has produced, but you used it's material to produce it.
Therefore that specific item isn't protected by copyright, but the containing characters are, so it's a bit of a grey area.
But all said and done, it's still illegal
We need a word filter on the BBS so that "fansubs" and "illegal" (and the like) are automatically deleted, and threads containing them are automatically rejected
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okay, so you make a nice argument and its obious here that i am outnumbered and that most of you here, no matter what I say, will still think as fansubing as illegal. So I meet you halfway. Ill give it yo you all that the companies take on the stand as it being illegal, but also think of the fact that most dont take anymeasures against stoppoing fansubbing, some do but most dont.
My main point in this argument is that the companies like tha fansubbing due to the fact that it gives their product a larger audience that they would originaly not have, and therefore increasing their chance of profit when the dvds come out in said area.
I say the companies are not very concerned about the fansubbing since the quality at best is that of an old vhs (dvd ripping is an entirely different thing and I DO see that as illegal) and, as i stated before, if the person likes what he or she is watching (at least for me thats how it is) the said person will go out and buy the dvds of the show.
I personaly burn some of the anime that i download into data discs so that i can view it again later, but when the actuall dvds come out in my are i get rid of the data discs and keep the real thing. Think of fansubbing as a music tape, thats been urinated on. Thats some of the quality of fansubbing and I would rather have the unurinated, sharper, with bonuses dvd rather than the urinated audio tape (Im comparing an audio tape thats been urinated to a CD to demonstrate quality difference.)
Now as for meeting you half way, ill give you that they are (companies) in the position of thinking it as illegal, yet not going out of their way to enforce it for knowledge that they get a wider audience, now the companies arent stupid. They would know if they are losing money or not, and I believe that since they dont put a stop to fansubbing that they are gaining money through increased dvd sales due to increased awareness of their product.
So companies know of fansubbing, they know its illegal, and they like the profit they are generating through it (thats my theory anyway).
Ok thats it for me, i probably wont post anymore on this subject, just wanted to let yall know where i stand on fansubbing, as being acceptable untill the dvds come out.
My main point in this argument is that the companies like tha fansubbing due to the fact that it gives their product a larger audience that they would originaly not have, and therefore increasing their chance of profit when the dvds come out in said area.
I say the companies are not very concerned about the fansubbing since the quality at best is that of an old vhs (dvd ripping is an entirely different thing and I DO see that as illegal) and, as i stated before, if the person likes what he or she is watching (at least for me thats how it is) the said person will go out and buy the dvds of the show.
I personaly burn some of the anime that i download into data discs so that i can view it again later, but when the actuall dvds come out in my are i get rid of the data discs and keep the real thing. Think of fansubbing as a music tape, thats been urinated on. Thats some of the quality of fansubbing and I would rather have the unurinated, sharper, with bonuses dvd rather than the urinated audio tape (Im comparing an audio tape thats been urinated to a CD to demonstrate quality difference.)
Now as for meeting you half way, ill give you that they are (companies) in the position of thinking it as illegal, yet not going out of their way to enforce it for knowledge that they get a wider audience, now the companies arent stupid. They would know if they are losing money or not, and I believe that since they dont put a stop to fansubbing that they are gaining money through increased dvd sales due to increased awareness of their product.
So companies know of fansubbing, they know its illegal, and they like the profit they are generating through it (thats my theory anyway).
Ok thats it for me, i probably wont post anymore on this subject, just wanted to let yall know where i stand on fansubbing, as being acceptable untill the dvds come out.
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