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NGE Aspect Ratio

Post by Kaysow » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:16 am

Eyy, I need some help. I have three sources of video used in my latest revamp, and I need to get them all to work together in one constant aspect ratio.

ADV Platinum Series. 720x480, stretched horizontally, anamorphic.
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Renewal Death. 720x480, weird smaller format.
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Renewal End of Eva. 720x480, stretched vertically, anamorphic.
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I can't figure out how to best handle this, so some help is well appreciated. All footage is interlaced, btw.
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Re: NGE Aspect Ratio

Post by x_rex30 » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:55 am

Kaysow wrote:All footage is interlaced, btw.
I thought I told you in a PM about this already. No it's NOT!! Drag one of the VOBs from the renewal end of eva or death into a new release of VirtualDubMod and you will see you get 0 interlacing lines. If you get interlacing lines then it's some weird setting that's creating them. If a DVD is interlaced at the default settings in VLC player you will be able to see the lines. When you put the renewal footage in VLC player you will see no interlacing lines. For the ADV Platinum release I'm sure that is interlaced but not the Region 2 renewal of the movies.

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Post by Melanchthon » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:50 am

The series is 4:3 and telecined, Death is 16:9 (after cropping) and progressive, and End of Eva is 16:9 and progressive. If you used Force Film in DGIndex, there will be no combing at all on the Renewal movies.

Series: Crop the narrow borders and resize to 640x480.
Death: Crop the borders and resize to 640x352. Add 64-pixel borders to the top and bottom.
End of Eva: Crop the narrow borders and resize to 640x352. Add 64-pixel borders to the top and bottom.

This will make all your video 640x480, with each bit of footage in its proper aspect ratio.

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Post by DJ_Izumi » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:47 am

I did a trailer with both Eva Renewal and End Of Eva. For that, I did the anime in 640x480 without letter boxes, instead I pan and scanned EoE to get it to fit in 640x480 correctly. Nice result I felt. :)
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Post by Melanchthon » Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:11 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:I did a trailer with both Eva Renewal and End Of Eva. For that, I did the anime in 640x480 without letter boxes, instead I pan and scanned EoE to get it to fit in 640x480 correctly. Nice result I felt. :)
I think he wants this to perfect his Engel remake, so cropping the 16:9 footage isn't appropriate here.

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Post by x_rex30 » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:40 am

Melanchthon wrote: End of Eva: Crop the narrow borders and resize to 640x352. Add 64-pixel borders to the top and bottom.
Wouldn't 848x480 be good too? then later resize to 640x352 for online distribution? that's what I did with my breath of eva vid.

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Post by x_rex30 » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:41 am

x_rex30 wrote:
Melanchthon wrote: End of Eva: Crop the narrow borders and resize to 640x352. Add 64-pixel borders to the top and bottom.
Wouldn't 848x480 be good too? then later resize to 640x352 for online distribution? that's what I did with my breath of eva vid.
wait nevermind.. since he'll be working with both 640x480 and 640x352.. that would be a bit confusing.. yeah so 640x352 should be good.

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Post by Kaysow » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:53 am

Thanks, now I have something to go by.

All footage is interlaced, because I'm done with ripping and editing already. There is the option of going back, learning some new moves, and reripping it, but that's not very likely. Anyway, that's what I'll usually say, then do it anyway =)

DGMpgDec148 works pretty good, I guess, but I don't wanna mess around with projectfiles. VOB2AVI is the best way for me. Besides, fucking Avisynth doesn't work at all. I tried what you sent me, Xrex, but every single line became trouble. The plugin didn't work, it didn't recognize Lanczos4Resize as a command, and so on and so forth. I'll keep trying, but school started just today, so there won't be as much time for this.

The video is Opus, and the editing is all done. I'd prefer to have it 720 pixels wide, for DVD printing, but whatever produces the best picture. It'll probably still be just fine with 640.
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Post by Kaysow » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:10 pm

Kay, I got AviSynth working. It's too awesome, so this is what I'm doing;

Series
Telecide()
Decimate(mode=2,quality=3)
Crop(4,64,-2,-64)
Lanczos4Resize(640,352)
HQDN3D()

Movies
Crop the black edges
Lanczos4Resize(640,352)
HQDN3D()

This means reripping EVERYTHANG. So I'm doing the fucking video all over again. Been working on it since yesterday, and already about 150 of the 450 cuts are done. God knows when it'll be over now.
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Post by Zero1 » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:48 am

Upscaling is bad. Another good idea is to crop/resize to approx 712x400 (or 711 if your resizer allows it, but it's unlikely). This is so you get the correct 16:9 aspect ratio. Then for compression/compatability reasons, crop it to 704 (video resolutions should ideally be divisible by 16).

704x400 isn't a 16:9 frame size, but you have resized the image itself to the correct aspect ratio prior to cropping. It doesn't matter what size the frame is, as long as you got the initial resize right. For example you could resize something to 640x360 and crop it to 640x192, and it would still be the correct aspect ratio, just you don't get the full image.

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