NTSC vs. PAL

[Kalium]

If you don't mind, I'll just stick with my pleasent delusions of hysterical reasons. Thank you!

[Rozard]

Computer monitors are heavly shielded not only to let you put speakers next to them, but also to display "weird" refresh rates with 50/60Hz interference all around. In theory, you might want to aim for 100fps or 120fps refresh rate of your monitor, just to match.

When I first got my computer, I had it on my desk. The monitor kept refreshing at a weird rate, and it looked like it was pulsing in waves. I didn't know what was causing it, and my dad (an engineer) was having trouble figuring it out. Then it struck him: Turn off the flourescent lamp that's touching the monitor. Problem solved

[DJ_Izumi]

I'm doing it right now!

352x288 Mpeg-2, 23.976fps with Pulldown flags enabled. As icing on the cake, it's an anamorphic video, so the 16:9 flag has been enabled. Oh yeah, Pal resolution, NTSC framerate, anamorphic.

I'm giving 2:1 odds that my DVD player suffers a digital break down and I need to send it to thereapy, any takers?

[HeavyMetal]

Thank you sysKin.

It is nice to see somebody that has the info to back their claim.

Of course knowing and understanding the electrical info leaves me wanting to scrap both standards in favor of making a new one.

You know Ben Franklin actually lost the fortune from his 1000 plus patents on home electric systems.

He thought AC was to dangerous for home use and went for DC instead.

AC - Alternating Current
DC - Direct Current

Anyway my big point was that conversion sucks.

I say we need a new system since people are going to widescreen (thankfully) anyway. Heck we can make way faster fps and quality scales.

I'll take Japan’s choice of NTSC.

Change that to "I'll take occupying America's choice for Japan of NTSC." and the sentance will be more correct.

What the hell was that about.

I'll be the first to admit that any horrible thing the US has ever told others not to do, the US has done and more.

For that matter people were upset about Bill Clinton and his BJ, but infidelity goes back to president number one, George Washington, I believe.

Besides Japan actually owns a large amount of the US land mass. I really hold no loyalty to any society. All have their pros and cons.

You also misspelled sentence, but who cares.

Your DVD player is probably going to vomit the disc back out and return itself to the manufacturer.

I also thought 352 x 288 was a non standard ratio. I have a program that uses it, but that is 1.22 ratio.

As far as I was aware only 1.33 (4:3) and 1.77 (16:9) were used.

The only reason I can think that TV 4:3 was made standard over widescreen is the cost of a panoramic lense and materials to make the TV.

Wow. Not only are you close minded, ignorant, pig headed and brooding, but you're also a necroposter. Bleeeaaahh.

Wow since no explanation was given. I'll let you know I grew up in a strictly religious place to later make my own beliefs that are almost agnostic. That is pretty open minded. Apparently it is not too much of a necropost if people are still reading it. That would include you. If you make a forum topic that was done before, people get p*ssed. If you post to something more than a week old, people get p*ssed. Talk about screwed. Furthermore to echo the maturity of your post, why don't you go play hide and go screw yourself.

I really hate posts like this. sysKin presented reasonable information and led me to formulate a new opinion. However people like Rozard make me think that humanity is doomed to speak with emotion without logic. Next time Rozard try to post more than a sentence or two.

If my comment on musicals offended you then shut up. If you ever watch old shows musicals and bad acting are frequent in even movies referred to as classics. It was a result of adapting theater (and a lack of microphones and visuals for the nose bleed sections) to recordings. In theater people in the past had to yell and over act so everyone could see and hear. Musicals were a way of keeping people entertained in a world without special effects and camera dynamics. Lets face it today we have directors like John Woo. The guy could make a seen without lines of someone drinking a cup of coffee into monumental action entertainment.

(John Woo is awesome.)

Anyway who cares computers do both and more.

PS
I still say Europe is West Asia, there is no geographic reason for Europe to be a continent. If you count mountains then India should be a continent as well. The whole system is so western.

[DJ_Izumi]

What the hell was that about.

I also thought 352 x 288 was a non standard ratio. I have a program that uses it, but that is 1.22 ratio.

As far as I was aware only 1.33 (4:3) and 1.77 (16:9) were used.

It was America's influence on Japan that resulted in them taking the NTSC video standard. I mean geez, it's a standard that was created by an American comittie even. I'm not saying it's 'Evil' but their influence resulted in it, plain and simple.

As for 352x288, 352x288 is a standard PAL resolution, it's Quarter D1 resolution (QD1) it's the PAL equilivilant of 352x240., it just has 48 more vertical lines of resolution. My DVD player does do correct PAL to NTSC conversion, assuming it morphs the image right, this disk just might play. I'll know in about 40mins.

[DJ_Izumi]

It ALMOST worked! It played back somewhat correctly. The anamorphic part was correct as was the aspect ratio. The issue is, it took the top 287 pixels vertically and crammed them into the top half of the image area, and the remaining 1 pixel at the bottom was stretched all the way down across the bottom half of the image area. I think it would have actually worked had I done 4:3 aspect ratio instead of anamorphic, QD1 Anamorphic isn't exactly written into the DVD standard.

[Tab.]

Of course knowing and understanding the electrical info leaves me wanting to scrap both standards in favor of making a new one.

I say we need a new system since people are going to widescreen (thankfully) anyway. Heck we can make way faster fps and quality scales

HELLO HDTV

The only reason I can think that TV 4:3 was made standard over widescreen is the cost of a panoramic lense and materials to make the TV.

That's why you take a minute to research (hint, widescreen) instead of making uneducated guesses. There was no such thing as widescreen until after the TV formats had already been cemented.

So since I was an asshole and learned, does that make me emological? Logicomotional?

[NME]

I want your babies Tab.

[Tab.]

You can't I'm busy pressing the button with andy.

[HeavyMetal]

That's why you take a minute to research (hint, widescreen) instead of making uneducated guesses. There was no such thing as widescreen until after the TV formats had already been cemented.

Theater screens. They weren't exactly wide screen, but they weren't the same size as TV.

For that matter some TVs used to be rounded at the edges. Stupid RCA. (Original TV and brand I dislike.)

Besides the technology to make widescreen has been around a long time. Even if it would not be HD. I get sick of that modified for your TV crap. It kills picture triangularity.

(Take a look at the cost of panoramic lenses just for home grade use. Its not worth it for most people or TV shows.)

People just don't realize how import triangularity is in cinema.