Editable + storeable format?

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Editable + storeable format?

Post by Spigy » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:01 pm

Hello all!

First of all I would like to make it clear that I know of the guides, but I would like straight answers.

I've been making amvs for quite some time now. Nothing professional, I just got better as time past. Luckily I seem to have a talent for this :P I am at a stage where quality of the videos I make should be crisp as possible and just good. I'm working on a Naruto AMV series and I would like this to be a project I can keep doing until the anime finishes so I'm just going to be very specific here.

Here is where I stand:

1. I have downloaded Dattebayo and Taka Shippuuden episodes. I am also collecting and not just getting them for AMVs. Since I like to re-watch from time to time along with other anime.

2. I use Vegas 7, as you all probably know these files cannot be used for editing as they either have no video stream or lag like crazy.

3. So, I convert them to mpeg2 (848x480 with the new eps)...which solves my editing problems, but quality itself is not too great.
Why? Same quality in mpeg would equal triple the size and I am going for around 250mb/episode. Having each episode double makes no sense and I want to have episodes with storeable size, I delete the original.

Now it has been ok until now, but seeing more and more HD vids up on youtube makes me want to get rid of those fast scenes which end up quite pixeled after conversion.

So I came here to ask. Into what format do you convert the downloaded episodes so the quality doesn't drop too much and the size doesn't go through the roof?

Or is this even possible? Should I start converting 500mb+ mpeg2 episodes and get used to it? Obviously uncompressed is not an option for me since that's not storeable.

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by The Origonal Head Hunter » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:39 pm

"Don't use downloaded footage" aside, I'd recommend that instead of converting full episodes you convert small clips in lossless format with VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod. It requires more planning on your part, but its the best space saver you'll get with what you want to do.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Zarxrax » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:51 pm

Don't get fansubs. They are most often based on tv captures rather than dvds (bad point #1), and they are reencoded from the original raws (bad point #2)

And don't recompress them to yet ANOTHER lossy format like mpeg2 (bad point #3)

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by mirkosp » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:44 am

Zarxrax wrote:Don't get fansubs. They are most often based on tv captures rather than dvds (bad point #1), and they are reencoded from the original raws (bad point #2)
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point #1 - Most groups re-release the series once they get out in DVD/BRD, so the tv captures statement only holds up for series that groups didn't bother to rip or newer series which aren't out on dvd/brd yet.
point #2 - Depends on what you mean. For TV captures, they use the transport streams (which aren't too bad depending on the channel they come from), for shows on DVD/BRD, they use, well... VOB and m2ts? :P That's for non-noobish subbers, tho. Groups that aren't too good re-encode from some mp4 raw or just mux the subs with them...

But it doesn't change the fact that their final encode is still lossy so ultimately not ideal solution to start working from.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:15 pm

Seriously guys...don't use downloaded footage.

Great, but how the heck am I supposed to do my vids if I don't get the episodes? :)
It's not like they are up on the net in dvd format. A trip to japan would be costly, not to mention buying each disk.

But it seems I got my answer, looks like all you guys work with are dvd footage. I'll continue as is I guess.

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Zarxrax » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:49 pm

Spigy wrote:It's not like they are up on the net in dvd format.
The net has everything.
Just saying.

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:23 pm

Ok, final question. Is there anyone here who has Naruto Shippuuden dvds? :)

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by hasteroth » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:28 pm

Spigy wrote:Ok, final question. Is there anyone here who has Naruto Shippuuden dvds? :)
/me sighs

rant about using Naruto to make an AMV aside.

There's such a thing as ordering your DVDs THROUGH THE INTERNET.

Google is a useful tool, USE IT.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:09 pm

Wow, you totally helped me out! Google!!!

Being a little judgmental towards Naruto? :)
What is it? No great AMV maker uses commercial anime? Elitist answers is all I got so far :) So much for the home of amvs...

Btw not everyone is a noob if they ask a question. Besides that last one was half an answer to the previous post. Since I doubt people will come by the dozens saying "I do". I am glad you took your time and replied to my post, but was it helpful? No. Was it necessary? No.

My reaction was when I read your post?/sigh

So you just made a post that is exactly like the one you sigh about :D gz

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Post by Scintilla » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:29 pm

Spigy wrote:Being a little judgmental towards Naruto? :)
Ignore him. There are tons of great Naruto AMVs out there, as you probably already know.
Spigy wrote:What is it? No great AMV maker uses commercial anime?
But I'm not sure what you mean by this, because almost all anime is commercial...
Spigy wrote:Elitist answers is all I got so far :) So much for the home of amvs...

Btw not everyone is a noob if they ask a question. Besides that last one was half an answer to the previous post. Since I doubt people will come by the dozens saying "I do". I am glad you took your time and replied to my post, but was it helpful? No. Was it necessary? No.

My reaction was when I read your post?/sigh

So you just made a post that is exactly like the one you sigh about :D gz
... and the entire rest of your post was just blatant trolling.

Still, here's a real answer for you: Even if anyone did have Naruto Shippuden DVDs, it would be against the Forum Rules (which you had to read when you signed up for this forum) to discuss sharing VOBs or ISOs. We can be banned without warning for posts like that.
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