Computer Advice Needed: What Should I Buy?

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Post by trythil » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:47 pm

bum wrote:The vast magoirty of programs suport only a single core. Unless your video editor supports dual cores, then its a waste of money.
Not really. Even in the case where a video editing program is not SMP-aware, the kernel can still run on the other core, which will allow for increased performance. It's not as great a jump, but it's still there.

However, this assumes that the kernel is SMP-aware, which is unfortunately not the case with Windows XP unless you pay for the privilege. (If this seems wrong to you, as it should, try out a system based around the Linux or BSD kernels...)

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Post by dwchang » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:38 pm

bum wrote:The vast magoirty of programs suport only a single core. Unless your video editor supports dual cores, then its a waste of money.
Uhm...no.

I have a dual processor system that I built so I could take advantage of it during video editing. Adobe Premiere *is* a multi-threaded program and thus every other frame, in theory, is rendered by a different processor. I for one know it works since I've *never* had a render time of less than 10 minutes. Even with huge AE compositions.

Also if I wanna do something else like play a game, since Windows XP is also supports dual processors (looks at task manager and sees two CPU affinities that I can set), I can set the render job to CPU0 and then go do something else with CPU1. That way, I don't even feel the render in the background and can still do things.

As for dual*cores* which just came out. All you need to do is upgrade your BIOS on your motherboard and the operating system will recognize the chip in a similar way as my dual processor set-up. Given that your OS supports it like mine does.

I've said before and I'll say it again. Dual processing is an editor's best friend. I'd much rather spend a little extra money on the motherboard and chip than on say more RAM or even HD space. I haven't even edited with the MJPEG swap method in years. I just use the raw AVS and edit fine and quickly (well for me).
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Post by Scintilla » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:53 pm

dwchang wrote:... since Windows XP is also supports dual processors (looks at task manager and sees two CPU affinities that I can set)...
If by that you mean "Windows XP <b>Professional</b>", right?

Anyway, I'd love to get me one of those A64 X2's, but they're gonna be way too expensive for me for a while yet... so I figure when I finally get my new system, I'll start it with a low-end A64 and then upgrade to one of the dual-cores later on.
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Post by dwchang » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:57 pm

Scintilla wrote:
dwchang wrote:... since Windows XP is also supports dual processors (looks at task manager and sees two CPU affinities that I can set)...
If by that you mean "Windows XP <b>Professional</b>", right?

Anyway, I'd love to get me one of those A64 X2's, but they're gonna be way too expensive for me for a while yet... so I figure when I finally get my new system, I'll start it with a low-end A64 and then upgrade to one of the dual-cores later on.
Yes Professional version.

I *hear* the A64 X2's are going to start "as low as" $500 for the "lowest model," but as much as $800 for the highest model with the largest L2's.

But yeah, I'd probably go the low end 939 route as well and wait for them to become reasonbly priced which probably won't be as long as you might think. Competition = Good.
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Post by Beefy_Suavo » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:00 pm

dwchang wrote:I've said before and I'll say it again. Dual processing is an editor's best friend. I'd much rather spend a little extra money on the motherboard and chip than on say more RAM or even HD space. I haven't even edited with the MJPEG swap method in years. I just use the raw AVS and edit fine and quickly (well for me).
Very true. Once you have used dual CPUs, you'll never want to go back.
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Post by TaranT » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:06 am

A friend of mine tried (unsuccessfully) to talk me into this setup:

Iwill zmaxDP dual socket 940 barebone ($680)
(2) Opteron 250 800MHz (2 X $700 = $1400)
(2) Corsair DDR400 1GB (2 X $100 = $200)
WD 250GB SATA150 ($130)
8X AGP vid card ($300)
HP DVD-RW LightScribe ($100)

Add OS, kb, mouse for a rough total of about $3100.

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Post by dwchang » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:53 pm

TaranT wrote:A friend of mine tried (unsuccessfully) to talk me into this setup:

Iwill zmaxDP dual socket 940 barebone ($680)
(2) Opteron 250 800MHz (2 X $700 = $1400)
(2) Corsair DDR400 1GB (2 X $100 = $200)
WD 250GB SATA150 ($130)
8X AGP vid card ($300)
HP DVD-RW LightScribe ($100)

Add OS, kb, mouse for a rough total of about $3100.
As much as I support AMD, I still say waiting for the dualcores to get to a reasonable price is probably the best bet for most folks right now. Unless you are DYING for a new computer and have no patience :P.

Given with that motherboard you could later buy two dualcores and have a QUAD PROCESSOR SYSTEM ;)
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Post by Noverca1is » Thu May 05, 2005 10:29 am

$100 for a 1 gig ram crosair??? WHERE?!!!! thats hella cheap! im seeing still 130+

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Post by TaranT » Thu May 05, 2005 11:19 am

Those are rough prices. When you're looking at a $3000+ total, $30 either way doesn't mean much.

But you can find 1GB Corsair for $96 at Newegg.

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