Dead MOBO, replace or upgrade?

[sysKin]

I think thats a total lie about AMD CPU's running cooler then intel

Dude, just check the specs ~ power is there in official specifications.

65nm is not cooler than 90nm - at this point, current leakage becomes significant and offsets any gains from smaller transistor. 65nm's only gain is smaller die size.

Power grows linearly with clock speed, which is why P4 needs more.

[gangstaj8]

Well, good news. I got my shipment and everything's working fine again. Had a few bugs to take care of with installing the new board, but I'm just glad I didn't have to reinstall Windows. I didn't realize this board doesn't need the 4-pin 12v connector like my old one did. I could've used the old PSU I had lying around, oh well.

I got curious with my CPU temps, and this board looks at all that stuff (not sure the old one did). But I noticed the CPU runs at a solid 61C idle and about 69C under load. I thought at first that was pretty high, but I guess it's not unusual for the Athlon XP 2800+. I was glad to learn that the maximum temp is 85C. Now I've got an alarm set just for safety's sake.

[Joe88]

I think thats a total lie about AMD CPU's running cooler then intel

Dude, just check the specs ~ power is there in official specifications.

65nm is not cooler than 90nm - at this point, current leakage becomes significant and offsets any gains from smaller transistor. 65nm's only gain is smaller die size.

Power grows linearly with clock speed, which is why P4 needs more.

I have plenty of specs where AMD run much hotter then intel

yes 65nm is cooler then 90nm
DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST
before replaying to stuff you dont know about

And Kariudo thats a big reason why the temps are so different
is that intel have 65nm ?
cable clutter = heat (poor ventalition)
thats why much people ditch the ribbion cables and buy round IDE cables but there SATA now so noty much of a difference.
Also tie down the cables or some people run the in back on mobo plate inside the case.

Again it has been proven by reviews and a lot other tests that 65nm runs way cooler.

[Kai Stromler]

I think thats a total lie about AMD CPU's running cooler then intel

Dude, just check the specs ~ power is there in official specifications.

65nm is not cooler than 90nm - at this point, current leakage becomes significant and offsets any gains from smaller transistor. 65nm's only gain is smaller die size.

Power grows linearly with clock speed, which is why P4 needs more.

I have plenty of specs where AMD run much hotter then intel

yes 65nm is cooler then 90nm
DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST
before replaying to stuff you dont know about

And Kariudo thats a big reason why the temps are so different
is that intel have 65nm ?
cable clutter = heat (poor ventalition)
thats why much people ditch the ribbion cables and buy round IDE cables but there SATA now so noty much of a difference.
Also tie down the cables or some people run the in back on mobo plate inside the case.

Again it has been proven by reviews and a lot other tests that 65nm runs way cooler.

OK.

I'm going to jump into this because dwchang hasn't been around lately, probably because he's still working on design/testing for AMD's 65nm and 45nm cores while my company has already delivered our share of the implanters that are actually going to fabricate them.

You are technically correct in a limited sense, but syskin is correct in a general sense because he knows what he's talking about. If you're going to talk smack back, please learn something about semiconductors and chip design before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot.

The reason that Intel's 65nm kit runs so much cooler than their 90nm kit is that Intel made design choices with the Prescott core (P4 90nm) that in retrospect were pretty poor. Because its execution pipeline was 31 stages deep (current generation of AMD and Intel are both down to like 15 IIRC), it handled branch mispredicts very, very badly, and as a result wasted a lot of cycles filling and draining the pipeline. To keep performance up with this, Intel pushed clock speeds ever faster and faster to reduce pipeline-related latency, and the result was the insane power consumption and heat output. The 65nm gear available is derived from the Pentium M, a much more heat-efficient design developed for use in laptops.

There is currently a lot of talk about how Conroe is going to run so much cooler than its AMD equivalents, but the processor isn't actually out in the field yet, so at this point, judgment ought to be reserved. Unless, of course, you have some semiconductor-physics reasons as to why 65nm is innately cooler than 90nm, regardless of design; if this is the case, by all means, post away.

--K

[Joe88]

Ok
Well also goping to have to throw in HT Technology

I know AMD are better desktop. They have a slight edge over intel.
But in laptops intel core duo should be your choice.

anyway...
the hyper-pipelined technology of the Intel NetBurst microarchitecture increases the pipeline depth delivering increased performance, frequency, and scalability of the processor. One of the key pipelines, the branch prediction/recovery pipeline, is implemented in 31 stages on the 90 nm Pentium 4 processor, compared to 20 stages on the 0.13 micron Pentium 4 processor.

lol i think we should stay on topic and not go into CPU wars here

[gangstaj8]

lol i think we should stay on topic and not go into CPU wars here

That might make a good spoof. But I think there'd be some confusion when everyone finally realizes that Microsoft is the Dark Side, and Intel vs. AMD was just a red herring...

Anyway, the topic has technically been resolved. Unless someone can tell me how to get the system and CPU fans to turn off when I put the comp into Standby. Currently, everything seems to suspend just fine, but the fans just keep going. I've checked BIOS settings as well as Windows (useless), but haven't come up with anything. It's not terribly important, but any ideas?

[Joe88]

Um arent the CPU fans supposed to be always on ?
because they are cooling the processor ?
the CPU is till in use in stand by though.

The HD's and mointer shut off.

[gangstaj8]

Um arent the CPU fans supposed to be always on ?
because they are cooling the processor ?
the CPU is till in use in stand by though.

I'll have to guess that it just depends on the MOBO, or BIOS, or a combination of both. Before mine got fried it would completely shut everything off and just have it ready to go whenever. Technically, the CPU was in an idle state so it didn't need the fan. Maybe my new MOBO keeps the CPU active, but I can't understand why it would. In any case, I was just curious for the purpose of power consumption. I suppose a couple of little fans and an inactive CPU don't suck up a lot of juice.

[OmniStrata]

I say go for a total overhaul upgrade... Why settle for less?

I'd easily guess the price you paid for your current hardware now is more expensive than upgrading to a modern system...

First off... Your setup will determine your chipset on the mobo. If you want to go dual card, X-Fire comes up short, but single ATi cards usually beat a single Nvidia graphics card, but once you start going for dual setups, you'll want nvidia... (a known documented fact is that Nvidia cards are tons quieter than noisey as constipation screamer crap that is ATi)

Which brings me to the next point, the chip. Oddly enough, I've heard that ATi chips favor the AMD processor whereas the Nvidia cards like Intel. Also, for RAM, do NOT get Corsair ram if you're getting an AMD, their timings simply don't mesh. What you see isn't what you get. OCZ RAM for AMD cpus and Corsair for Intel cpus.

SATA II 3.0 Gb/s hard drive is the way to go. I definitely noticed a speed increase in terms of loading. The new Seagate perpendicular drives allow for massive harddrive storage. 750Gb on an HD? How's THAT for a multi-anime music video?

Also, if you truely want to get the most bang for your buck, learn how to overclock your system. DFI Motherboards are excellent for this with Abit right behind them. By making your system run [SAFELY] beyond its intended specifications, you'll be internally purchasing high end gear for mid-low end pricing... [I have an Opteron Dual Core processor which normally goes for $300 but I've overclocked it to match the speed of a similar chip that's $850. How's THAT for value?]

Is it expensive? Depends on you really. I think you can setup a very nice system upgrade for just under $600. On Newegg, you can pay it off in 6months, no interest, for $100 a month. $3 a day!

But, if you don't have a job and can't afford even 'decent' parts... Then I guess you're stuck using your current stuff. The problem with replacing what you have is that Motherboards are all going SATA and PCI-e and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Either conform, or be left in the technological dust...

[Joe88]

Forget AMD, Augest 7 , the release date for Core 2 Duo
this Core 2 Duo chip the E6600 $339 blows away everything AMD has on stock
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... Code=80860
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu ... 3-ghz.html

btw dont talk trash about ATI
Quad SLi is a complete joke
why you ask ?
What's sad is even the fastest CPU today is a major bottleneck to the GPU. This is why SLI doesn't give better results and this is why Quad-SLI is a complete joke.

They took a 7800GTX 512MB and put it in a Core 2 Duo system and they saw an average of 30fps gain on all games tested then on an identical system with an FX-60.

So people who are out there yelleling Z0MG get quad-SLi it bows everything ATI has think again
and a reason why ATI never released a dual GPU card because its a waste.
btw nVidia cards underclcok them seleves when put into SLi where as in CrossFire both card have there own seperate memory clcok so you dont get screwed

also as of right now, there are only CrossFire Core 2 Duo boards out, there are no SLi boards so its gonna nVidia fans to switch to ATI if they want the best CPU right now, or wait until a SLi board comes out which might last until x-mas or even more

this is the best Core 2 Duo board that I have looked at...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131025
the price is steap at $270 but it is a great board , you many features to this board, I am also purchasing this board.

For the time being I am only going to purchase one ASUS Radeon x1900xtx...