No space for 26 HuffYUV encoded files

mannayz · Post by **mannayz** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:14 pm

So I guess the answer is no, there isn't a lower quality substitute that would suffice.

mannayz · Post by **mannayz** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:29 pm

I still dont see why I cant convert it to an AVI, using some codec, and have it be the same size and quality as their VOB counter parts.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:35 pm

mannayz wrote:I still dont see why I cant convert it to an AVI, using some codec, and have it be the same size and quality as their VOB counter parts.

Thats what avisyth does.

Theres no other way to losslessly convert mpeg2 into avi and keep the same size.

mannayz · Post by **mannayz** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:59 pm

Yeah, I'm opening an avs script in virtual dub and exporting it as an avi, using HuffYUV has a codec. The resulting avi is about 7 gigswhere it's vob counterpart is a little under 2 gigs.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:22 pm

Have you tried using MakeAVIs with the AVISynth scripts (instead of making HuffYUV files) and importing them into Magix that way?

ajew · Post by **ajew** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:23 pm

can't you make mjpeg of the vob? converting to huffy is just a worse as mpeg 2 is lossy anyways only do that if u want to filter and use a differnet encoder.

mannayz · Post by **mannayz** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:37 pm

Scintilla wrote:Have you tried using MakeAVIs with the AVISynth scripts (instead of making HuffYUV files) and importing them into Magix that way?

Elaborate a bit, please.

Is MakeAVIs a codec or a program?

ErMaC · Post by **ErMaC** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:05 pm

The reason you can't convert a VOB to an AVI of the same size is because VOBs are MPEG2 - and you can't properly encapsulate MPEG2 streams in an AVI container (ok, you COULD, but no one's made a codec hack to do it).

The point of the AVS method is to translate the VOB files into pseudo-AVI files. There's a part of FFVFW which will allow you to make AVI files from AVS files - essentially make a tiny AVI file which then point to the AVS, which then points to the VOB file. Read up on ffVfW (it's included in the AMVapp, if I recall).

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:06 pm

mannayz wrote:
Scintilla wrote:Have you tried using MakeAVIs with the AVISynth scripts (instead of making HuffYUV files) and importing them into Magix that way?
Elaborate a bit, please. Is MakeAVIs a codec or a program?

It's a program that comes with ffvfw (and ffdshow these days, I think) that will take an AVISynth script and make a small fake AVI out of it. It's what Ermac was talking about when he said:

ErMaC wrote:The point of the AVS method is to translate the VOB files into pseudo-AVI files. There's a part of FFVFW which will allow you to make AVI files from AVS files - essentially make a tiny AVI file which then point to the AVS, which then points to the VOB file. Read up on ffVfW (it's included in the AMVapp, if I recall).

It helps if you include the line ConvertToRGB32() at the end of the AVISynth script before wrapping it with makeAVIs.

I know the AVISynth + makeAVIs method works, at least for WMM2, because I've seen it done.

ErMaC wrote:The reason you can't convert a VOB to an AVI of the same size is because VOBs are MPEG2 - and you can't properly encapsulate MPEG2 streams in an AVI container (ok, you COULD, but no one's made a codec hack to do it).

Apparently the people at AX have figured it out...

(My apologies to RHIT for stealing their bandwidth.)

ErMaC · Post by **ErMaC** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:49 pm

No one ever said AX knew what they were talking about

However they might be serious, as Pinnacle's DC1000/2000 cards DID have an IP-frame only AVI MPEG2 codec for their cards. Yes - I and P frames only, but still, MPEG2 in an AVI container. It was stupid, but it worked.

However, only with those cards. I seem to recall they had one of these cards at one point (back when Shaun Hendricks was running things) so they might not be COMPLETELY off their rocker...