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Post by Kalium » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:31 pm

mantlepicture wrote:
Kalium wrote: Popularity doesn't make it good. A lot of things are popular (MS Office, Internet Exploitme, etc.). That doesn't make them good.
Yes, but people don't pay $250 an hour to use IE. People who are knowledgable(like professionals are with editing) typically shy away from IE. Or at least they know there is better out there.

Professional editors go with what works best. And they typically choose Avid.

It's true that popularity doesn't make something good. And Premeire is a lot more popular than Avid. But if something is popular among professionals, that does make it good. Your analogy is flawed. As expensive as editing is, professionals do not choose inferior products. In fact, the main reason most post-production houses use Windows over Mac is because Windows gets the new versions of Avid several months before Mac does. And that means a lot, especially with Avid Xpress HD coming out soon.
Argument from authority. Logical flaw. Worthless and meaningless argument.

Yes, professionals do choose inferior products. The results work, too, they just aren't pretty for anyone somewhat brighter.

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Post by Zarxrax » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:40 pm

Can someone please tell me what avid is good for?
I use premiere to cut and fade. What makes Avid so much better at that?

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Post by Kalium » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:54 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Can someone please tell me what avid is good for?
I use premiere to cut and fade. What makes Avid so much better at that?
Because professionals use it, apparantly.

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Post by mantlepicture » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:04 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Can someone please tell me what avid is good for?
I use premiere to cut and fade. What makes Avid so much better at that?
Avid is good for just about anything. Anything can cut and fade. If that's all you do with editing, then even Premeire is overkill. As for how Avid does it better, well... I like the idea of being able to add 300 dissolves with the push of a key. I'd never do it, but it's fun knowing I can.

As for Kalium, let it go dude. You're not saying anything new.

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Post by Zarxrax » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:48 pm

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Zarxrax wrote:Can someone please tell me what avid is good for?
I use premiere to cut and fade. What makes Avid so much better at that?
Avid is good for just about anything. Anything can cut and fade. If that's all you do with editing, then even Premeire is overkill. As for how Avid does it better, well... I like the idea of being able to add 300 dissolves with the push of a key. I'd never do it, but it's fun knowing I can.

As for Kalium, let it go dude. You're not saying anything new.
I agree premiere really is overkill for what I use an editor for. I've tried practically every other video editing program out there though (well over 20 others) and they all suck. Scrubbing the audio is an extremely big part for me... because well, timing to audio is essentially the CORE of an amv. And I've come across nothing else that lets me scrub audio along with video as well as premiere does. Plus theres always some other stupid issues, like the programs restrict you to stupid things like 30fps, or you cant edit with frame accuracy, or you can't load avisynth files. While I don't really *LIKE* premiere, I must say it annoys me the *least* of all the editors I've tried. The only thing that really pisses me off about it is that it doesn't handle 23.976fps video (6.5, not pro).

As for anything complex, I prefer to use an effects/motion graphics package such as After Effects.

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Post by bum » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:46 am

mantlepicture wrote:Anyway, I have a feeling this is going to turn into a flame war, so with the interest of keeping this thread spam-free, I say we agree to disagree.
And yet you continue blab on.

:roll:

Oh and, if you cant figure out where the trim tool in wmm is (which a 12 year old kid has figured out), it sounds kinda stupid taht your talking all about this high end avid crap.

Hey zarx, what happened to all the bitching about avid you were doing on aim?

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Post by mantlepicture » Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:07 am

Zarxrax wrote: I agree premiere really is overkill for what I use an editor for. I've tried practically every other video editing program out there though (well over 20 others) and they all suck. Scrubbing the audio is an extremely big part for me... because well, timing to audio is essentially the CORE of an amv. And I've come across nothing else that lets me scrub audio along with video as well as premiere does. Plus theres always some other stupid issues, like the programs restrict you to stupid things like 30fps, or you cant edit with frame accuracy, or you can't load avisynth files. While I don't really *LIKE* premiere, I must say it annoys me the *least* of all the editors I've tried. The only thing that really pisses me off about it is that it doesn't handle 23.976fps video (6.5, not pro).

As for anything complex, I prefer to use an effects/motion graphics package such as After Effects.
Avid is really nice for videos. Holding down the shift key or turning on the caps lock enables audio scrubbing. Also, you don't have to worry about timing it out perfectly. The trim tool allows you to add or subtract frames from a clip, while adding or subtracting frames from the next edit(so you don't lose synch). What I do to match up to the beat it +/- three frames and push play(in trim mode, it keeps looping the edit so you can see if it works). I typically lay down all the clips I want, in order, then time them out. Premeire should have a trim tool as well, but I'm not sure where it is or how well it works. But I suggest looking for it if you don't already use it. It will cut your editing time in half. Trimming is probably the most important part of editing, which is why WMM is a joke. I couldn't imagine doing a video now that I know about the trim tools. When I was in school, we had to make a music video with two DVC Pro tape decks. And they were NOT frame accurate(they could be off 1-4 frames). So if I needed to replace an edit, I usually got flash frames. And you also have to go back and forth through the tape to find your footage. It took about two hours to make a :60 music video, which I can do in about 10 minutes on Avid(if it's cuts-only).

As for 23.976fps video, I believe Avid can handle it. I know it handles 24fps, and for $17,000, it better work with 23.976.

And yes, After Effects is a great program. It makes up for many of Avid's flaws.

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Post by mantlepicture » Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:18 am

bum wrote:And yet you continue blab on.

Speak for yourself.

Oh and, if you cant figure out where the trim tool in wmm is (which a 12 year old kid has figured out), it sounds kinda stupid taht your talking all about this high end avid crap.

Hey zarx, what happened to all the bitching about avid you were doing on aim?
At second glance, WMM does seem to have a trimming tool. But Avid has a trimming MODE. Let's see you do slipping and sliding with WMM's pathetic excuse for a trim tool. Haha, WMM can't even do dual-sided trimming! Horrible. AOL is more efficient.

Any program that dedicates 10% of the screen to "movie making tips" is an obvious kid's toy. Face it, Fisher Price could make a better video editing program.

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Post by navs92 » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:45 am

... yeh but i am not a professional so i don't care for avid
just can't be assed to put it in

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Post by mantlepicture » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:04 am

navs92 wrote:... yeh but i am not a professional so i don't care for avid
Which is exactly what I said about two pages ago. Pay attention.

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