SpPanda wants back in. Should we let him?

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:54 am

wow, as a webmaster myself... I'd be getting kind of tweaked now.

I don't think this type of hostility and anger is anyway to make Phade want to do us any favors.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:11 am

What Cat and a LOT of other people on this thread do not seem to realise is that the reasons behind SpPanda's banning was not entirely based on his actions on the forum.

It wasn't just because of spamming.

It wasn't just because of roms.

It was aided, more significantly, by the way he personally attacked Phade in private (on aim, with fake accounts, etc). I think Phade is being kind in not airing dirty laundry in public by posting things that were said to him by SpPanda in private. OK, so you may not know all of the details regarding the ban, but Phade was really being diplomatic by keeping those detials private.

As far as I can tell, the only thing stopping his ban second time around was an honest apology.

I know Daniel has changed a lot since the ban and this is why it's being considered to let him back. I'm surprised Phade has considered it given what was said in the past, but I respect Phade for being forgiving.

I don't have a problem with Daniel - he's never offended me personally - but I know I'd feel negatively towards him had I been on the receiving end of some of the things back then.

Hopefully, of course, that's all water under the bridge and hopefully Cataclysm can understand that just because there were no solid reasons given doesn't mean there wasn't good reason.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:41 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:What Cat and a LOT of other people on this thread do not seem to realise is that the reasons behind SpPanda's banning was not entirely based on his actions on the forum.

It wasn't just because of spamming.

It wasn't just because of roms.

It was aided, more significantly, by the way he personally attacked Phade in private (on aim, with fake accounts, etc). I think Phade is being kind in not airing dirty laundry in public by posting things that were said to him by SpPanda in private. OK, so you may not know all of the details regarding the ban, but Phade was really being diplomatic by keeping those detials private.

As far as I can tell, the only thing stopping his ban second time around was an honest apology.

I know Daniel has changed a lot since the ban and this is why it's being considered to let him back. I'm surprised Phade has considered it given what was said in the past, but I respect Phade for being forgiving.

I don't have a problem with Daniel - he's never offended me personally - but I know I'd feel negatively towards him had I been on the receiving end of some of the things back then.

Hopefully, of course, that's all water under the bridge and hopefully Cataclysm can understand that just because there were no solid reasons given doesn't mean there wasn't good reason.

Jace, this is not hostility. I've been hostile in the past so you know what it looks like. (Firsthand.)

AD, I think the proper wording would be is that Cat and a lot of people were not told is the reason behind SpPanda's banning on the forum's. Because from the moment I saw Phade's first post about it which I quoted I did in fact realise the reasons behind SpPanda's banning was not entirely based on his actions on the forum. If I didn't realise that then would I have joined the bring back SpPanda group? would I have resented phade for lying about the reason why SpPanda was banned? No, I would not have. And to make thing's clear. My anger was not directed at the fact that SpPanda was banned, but that Phade did not tell the truth about why he was banned in the first place.

But you know what AD? If what you say is true then I was right about the fact that Phade was not truthful about why SpPanda was banned. I was right that it didn't have to do with his actions on the forum's, and that phade did in fact have a problem with Daniel Araujo the human being, not SpPanda the forum member.

Take a good look at why phade said he was banned. I knew imediatly that it wasnt the truth and by keeping the fact's hidden I have for the longest time looked down on phade for it. And you know what, I still look down on phade for hiding the truth and I will until I get the whole story from him and or Panda. But phade should realize that a feeble minded spammer like me was able to see through his poorly concieved explanation that it would have been better for him and everyone else to tell the truth. I am believe it or not an intelligent human being and when someone patronizes me with clear cut lies I will be understandably offended by it.

Now back to why you say Panda was really banned. If what you say is true then that clearly changes things. If SpPanda was attacking phade the way you say he was then I can clearly understand why Phade took the actions that he took. But you know what? That isn't the way Phade said it happened, and it doesn't change the fact that everything I said in my last post was true. Regardless of what the reason is lying is only going to make things worse. If he was truly trying to defend SpPanda's reputation then that was noble of him. However it doesn't change the fact that he lied to everyone on the forum's about the reason for Panda's banning and then lied AGAIN aobut his neutrality and indifference when this is CLEARLY about a personal issue between him and Panda.

Now why Phade protected Panda when he had no need to and why he is allowing the votes of forum members decide the outcome of what you claim to be a personal problem between the two of them I do not know. But I still for the time being think that the way Phade handled it was wrong.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:43 am

Post Script, I have successfuly kept this from becoming ad hominem attacks, childish name calling, and from flames (passive and outright.)
I have tried very dilligently to uphold the rule to remain courtious at all times. This is a discusion and lets keep it that way people.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 5:07 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:Post Script, I have successfuly kept this from becoming ad hominem attacks, childish name calling, and from flames (passive and outright.)
I have tried very dilligently to uphold the rule to remain courtious at all times. This is a discusion and lets keep it that way people.

Indeed.

Let's not let this discussion devolve into something akin to the Japanese House

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CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 5:17 am

or drag it off topic any farther than it already is.

Nappy · Post by **Nappy** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:53 am

Well the only "attack" I know about, came after being banned. That long aim conversation was made public on his forum, and this site had links to it.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:27 am

jesus christ, just let him back already

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:02 pm

Nappy wrote:Well the only "attack" I know about, came after being banned. That long aim conversation was made public on his forum, and this site had links to it.

I agree, this is also the only 'attack' which I know of as well. I'm not going to call AD a liar, and the same goes for Phade, but I am skeptical about what they say since this is the first time any of this was brought up on the forums. At least to my knowledge.

Summanaro · Post by **Summanaro** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:54 pm

Cat, your sig is too large. It's 20 pixels too tall.

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SpPanda wants back in. Should we let him?

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