Video info more restricted over time

[Moonlight Soldier]

My biggest complaint is that there was no warning. If I had just put up my first video, I would see this thread and realize I have 2 weeks to decide what I want written forever. I had no warning, so now I'm stuck with what's up there. That's not fair.

Exactly.

Honestly, I think this is extreme, and a big hassle. To be frank, I don't like the way it was handled, there was no warning, no discussion and no prior announcement.

I would hope that you'd have announced this decision at some point in time, and not relied on someone to point it out [aka, me, when I went to change some information and discovered I screwed up a tag that I couldn't fix ]

I'd also like to point out that this site is set up like a catalogue. The publishers of a catalogue do not have control over print copy, they merely make it easily accessible for readers to peruse and select what they wish to [in this case] download.

I don't care that TomtheFish changed his video information. I'm sorry. I don't think it's a big deal. That's his perogative, not yours. I don't see why everyone should have to feel threatened because of it. [Which clearly some people are.]

This is not an attack against Phade or the rest of the administration, but all of a sudden is seems too much is riding on control.

I first joined this community to download videos as a fan, now I've started to share my own work with others.

I did not join this community to feel controlled and effectively pinned down by my hobby of choice. I do not want to have to worry time limits, errors and pages of preamble whenever I upload a video.

Honestly, I was tempted not to upload my newest video locally today. I debated it, and only decided to since I 'd already bothered donating money to this site for its hosting use.

And that is not 'fun,' nor is it the intention of the site as I understand it, but that's what it feels like now.

I debated posting this actually, since I already have an idea of what rebukes and rebuttals will inevitably come my way. And that is what upsets me most of all. Recently everything seems to be an "admin" versus "users" debacle, and I'd like to see changes handled in a way that doesn't invoke these feelings.

There is my opinion on the matter, do with it what you will.

[Scintilla]

note that employing append-only editing does not solve entries like these: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... .php?v=166

Actually, that is just the kind of thing I considered doing when I first found out about the new append-only mechanism. I already keep separate info pages for my videos on the AS website anyway (usually they've got different notes from the Org info pages).

I'd like to throw in my support for the history/archive system as well. With something like that in place, "destructive" edits could be reversed (and then somehow stop the user from re-destroying?) while the majority of info pages would be left alone, and we'd all get our flexibility back.

But I still may go Doki's route of linking to offsite info blurbs, just in case I ever want to erase all my own notes...

[Scintilla]

<b>Append</b> (no coincidence intended):

I don't care that TomtheFish changed his video information. I'm sorry. I don't think it's a big deal. That's his perogative, not yours. I don't see why everyone should have to feel threatened because of it. [Which clearly some people are.]

Oh good, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[Phade]

Hey Moonlight Soldier,

Once it was brought to my attention that there was a problem with information destruction, the reasoning and method for the temporary fix can be summed up in one word: time. Actually, my lack of it.

If you catch my previous post, you will see that the temp fix was quick to implement while a more permanent fix is created. I'm sorry that you were caught mid-edit with the new implementation. It was never my intention to cause tension, just to immediately stop the destruction of information. It wasn't announced right away because of time. A permanent fix has not been implemented due to feedback and time. Hopefully time will be on our side in order to find and implement the permanent fix.

Phade.

[x_rex30]

You know you guys could do this the other way around. Have a link on the bottom of the video comments page that says "more comments" or something, and have the locked info stored there. That way you don't have to worry about loosing the info. and about locked info covering the video description page.

[trythil]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

If this bugs you, just leave a link to an external video notes page in the video profile. Problem solved.

[Tono_Fyr]

Rather than limiting what people can do, how about implementing a solution sort of like wikipedia, where they keep snapshots of each change, so you can roll back to a previous one if someone decides to vandalize an entry?

Hey Zarxrax,

(sorry to double post, but you posted when I was posting)

The problem with that method is that there is no way to stop the member from re-messing up their entry once it is fixed. We would also have to monitor all video description changes made every day (all new entries + all modifications = all changes). It becomes a large admin task. Reducing admin overhead is a top priority for the new system, whatever it becomes.

Keep the ideas coming!

Phade.

Perhaps after a rollback you could make it so the comments become append only. Also, examining a video's comment history would probably only need to be done while reviewing delete requests and thus the admin overhead wouldn't be too bad.

I've been wondering if anyone is even going to NOTICE this idea. Personally, I think it's the best solution to this particular problem. As long as a rollback is not needed, then you can do whatever you want with your video information. Do something stupid, you get a roll back, and can now only append. That seems like it'll suit EVERYONES needs.

[kitsunebeolnet]

Another 2 cents...

Last year I made an AMV and dedicated it to another creator that had been a major inspiration. A couple of months after it was posted, they happened to notice the mention and requested I remove their name from the description. I would have felt pretty bad if I had not been able to comply with their wish and been unable to remove their name simply because someone else is worried about 'losing' information.

From now on, my entries are going to be a lot more compact, rather than write some detail that may come back to haunt me later.

[x_rex30]

Oh, for fuck's sake.

If this bugs you, just leave a link to an external video notes page in the video profile. Problem solved.

I'm guessing your referring to most of the people bitching, but no, it doesn't bug me.

[SarahtheBoring]

I'd ask that the lock be undone and everyone be given access back for two weeks before this new lock is put into place again, so we all have the same chance future members will have to decide exactly what we want written to represent our videos forever.

But you know, at this point, I'd probably just use the two weeks to delete every single one of my video profiles. I've never written a vid description with the intent to have it sitting permanent. My opinion is not a concrete thing like a video file. What this lock has done is removed my right to change my public opinion about my own video. If I'd known I'd lose access to the vid descriptions, I'd never have written any of them.

...wow. Amen, and amen again. I'd probably steal dokidoki's long-standing idea of hosting notes offsite. I know, no big loss in my case, but really... I realize you liked Tom's info, or whatever is the actual problem here (you keep saying "problem" and "destruction," but what actually happened to bring about this huge, irritating change on every single one of the members here?)

...back on track, I realize you liked whatever was lost, or whatever, but this is a badly executed solution. It does irk me that we lost this little bit of control over our work, but apparently that's not going to be given back.

Also, really, what the hell was Tom's gorgeously perfectly awesome best-thing-ever description style, that made you piss off thousands of users in grief and rage over its loss? Was it reeeeeeeeeeeeally that important? Seriously.

trythil, we can't, because they're locked. Have you been reading any of this?