Delete General Anime

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:22 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:But why delete General Anime? Why not just report all the useless threads, get them deleted, and keep it up until people stop posting them? Or make some clear-cut rules against certain thread topics (if/which types), or a list of what constitutes spam. Without OT, the mods have more time to moderate, right? That was the part of the idea, wasn't it? So help them out - if you think the threads are useless, report them. If the mods leave it, then obviously your opinion is incorrect. No reason to close the entire forum.

If it's too immature for you, don't go there. The mods are the only ones who *have* to go in there and read the threads, and they can delete them so they'll have less immaturity to worry about, right? This is as bad as people saying they left the forum because they didn't like what was in OT - don't like it, either change the content (and the rules) or do go into that section. Simple.

No, I agree, with the OT sections removed there should be a LOT more time for modding in the other sections, which was indeed the point. And I have posted in the Mod Drop Box, which hopefully helped. I think the point that bothers me is the fact that people are still going off topic in these far more important sections, even if it was origionally supposed to be an anime subject. This is going to allow the locals of that section to BS all they want, leaving a lot of us who haven't molded into that social spectrum of the ORG kinda SOL.

And the MODs are probably going to be a lot more kick back, aren't they? No longer are they going to have to search through the crap in the OT, so why would they have anything to worry about, right? They have nothing left to worry about, so I expect them to show up less. In fact the only time I expect them to do anything is if somebody brings it to their attention, like it pretty much was in the first place.

And for everyone who wanted OT gone in the first place, they got what they wanted, the OT is gone, but most of them generate the same kind of crap that usually went on in the lower sections anyway. I'm not saying Phade should bring back the OT, but since it's gone, why not make it a little bit more fair, and get rid of anything off this site's purpose, AMVs? GA and the Music sections are not essential to this forum, so why keep them? It's only going to make more work for the MODs to keep shit out of there anyway.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:31 am

I concur. There's very little useful or interesting discussion in General Anime.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:59 am

Was there ever?

Anyways, I say keep it, but that's just me, and I'm a very indifferent person...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:10 am

SSJVegita0609 wrote:Anyways, I say keep it, but that's just me, and I'm a very indifferent person...

There are two threads in that section that I have been following for months. Without that section or an OT section, those two will die cold, and I really don't want to see that happen. So for them alone, I'd want it there. But I won't suffer dearly if the section were closed. I'd just post less. No great loss there.

My main problem is the crap (no offense) that's in GAMV right now, that's been starting up there more in the last few weeks than I've seen in months. Without GA I *know* it will be worse. And considering the Mods are waiting for people to report the threads before they delete them - with an increase it's going to get really messy up there. And without GAMV the only thing left is the help sections. As much as I like to post in those when I can answer a question, they're hardly a place to be a 'community', it's like a helpline where you never know the people coming in and out. That wouldn't be enough to keep me here. GAMV, as it is right now, barely has enough things to 'discuss' mixed in with the rest. And as silly as some of the threads in GA are, you can *still* reply to them with thoughtful posts.

I see more one-liners in GAMV than I do in GA. I don't really care much for one-liner threads. That's not discussion, it's posting for the sake of posting. What's the point of a 'community' if you can't discuss the things the community stands for? Anime music videos - anime, music, and videos. And we already know we can't talk about videos without it becoming a flame war, so anime is the only place for any sort of 'discussion,' inane or not. No discussion = no community. Close GA, and you might as well close the entire forum and get it over with.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:13 am

And we already know we can't talk about videos without it becoming a flame war, so anime is the only place for any sort of 'discussion,' inane or not. No discussion = no community. Close GA, and you might as well close the entire forum and get it over with.

Damn right sister!

btw ErMaC's Soul of an Angel vid sucks OMG

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:43 am

THe thing is, the topics are utterly retarded, but they havent sunk to the point where mods can intervene. I think that either GA needs to get fixed, or get the axe. but either way, it's broken right now. (I'd rather see it fixed than broken.)

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:47 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:THe thing is, the topics are utterly retarded, but they havent sunk to the point where mods can intervene. I think that either GA needs to get fixed, or get the axe. but either way, it's broken right now. (I'd rather see it fixed than broken.)

So how would you fix it? I know EC made a thread about suggested 'rules' an such for threads in GA - some sort of guideline to dictate what sort of things people should talk about and not talk about, and what sort of threads should be made and which ones shouldn't be made. It's the suggestion section - what would you suggest to fix it aside from scrapping it altogether?

I don't like cencorship, but if it's 'control the threads' or delete the section, then let's see some control. I'm not quite ready to leave this place, so how would the GA be fixed?

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:42 am

Arigatomyna wrote:I don't like cencorship, but if it's 'control the threads' or delete the section, then let's see some control. I'm not quite ready to leave this place, so how would the GA be fixed?

It's hard I'm sure for the MODs, making a sticky topic/announcement for rules and whatnot, I know it sure would KILL me to write such a thing.

I mean, it would be such a hard thing to do, laying down the rules, that Phade would have to REITERATE the rules on a near YEARLY basis to remind the kids what would happen! I mean, he let us know how hard it was many moons ago for the OT section, but for all the new guys who hadn't even heard of the site and were RESPONSIBLE for the deletion of said section had no damn clue, and it was so hard to do that he couldn't repeat himself! Really sounds like too much work to me, letting people know what's up.

That last little bit was rude, I know, and I'm sorry. I just don't see how the GA section could be allowed to stay without either deleting it, or letting people know right from wrong. And if you're GOING to give them some guidelines, then why didn't you give us some and let us know we were so far off course?

Complaining out of the way, cynicism kicking in. How are the GA topics any different than the lower ones were? It's a different group of the same type of people talking about the same crap, with the same motives as we did. If we received so many warnings and they went unheeded, what makes you think these others will act any differently? The fact of the matter is, is there's too many new people coming in than can be controlled. And with less variety of things, the same 'crap' is going to come back over, and over, and over until the forums are all but shut down.

Hopefully I'm delusional.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:48 am

From someone who has been watching and moderating the General Anime forums, I can honestly say that although a lot of the topics are boring (what is your fave anime, who is the hottest girl etc) that at least 90% of them are genuine discussions of anime.

Threads that are OT I've been getting rid of, as requested by Phade. If a thread that started as an anime topic severely drifts OT I'll lock it.

Now admittedly I've been a little lenient in some respects. There are threads without any discussion - things like picture threads. The reason I have left those is that I'm following the spirit of the forum rather than the technical definition (a place for discussion).

The General Anime forum is there because as amv makers it is productive to talk about the shows we like. The way I see it is that the pictures threads will occasionally show someone something from an anime that will get them interested in it.... and potentially even make a video because of that.

That's why we have General Anime, because of the potential to inspire future videos by discussing the source material - same with General Music. Keeping the forum will have nothing to do with the quality of the posts; that's up to the people talking about things. As long as the posts are on topic, they will stay. You may not find many of them interesting, but I don't think that a failing in the design of the forum - that's up to people wanting to talk about interesting anime topics.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 6:53 am

Define productive. Discussing what anime character you'd like to eat or set on fire doesn't really strike me as productive. (Maybe I'm just strange.) Seriously, feel free to be less leniant. I get the feeling that if the thread were in the GOT and you replaced the words "anime character" with the word "actor" it would get moved to wot and then deleted. Don't let the fact that it's "technically" anime overshadow the fact that it's "essentially" spam, and a waste of space.

BTW, I was browsing through the locked "OT is gone" thread Phade made and stumbled onto this.

[MOD359]In the coming weeks we will be cracking down on stupid threads in General Anime. There's far too much garbage being posted there, and it needs to stop.

Half the reason for the removal of the OT forums is that they were detracting from the rest of the site. Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans. Removing those people makes the site more useful, because more useful people will be around.

This post (or, modification to an existing one by an inviso mod) was made over two weeks ago.

The latter part of the post aside, The Mod specifically said that this crap everyone is complaining about RIGHT NOW would be dealt with. It hasn't and has led to the creation of this 4 page thread asking for something to either be done, or to lock and kill the forum.