This forum is for suggestion on how to make this a better...

)v(ajin Koji · Post by **)v(ajin Koji** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:37 pm

Nestorath69 wrote:
)v(ajin Koji wrote:Nes, show me all the places where this forum is falling apart and I will take you seriously.
If I had a gun to your head, you wouldn't take me seriously. That's the nature of our interaction with each other.

Lol! That's very true.

However, as one of the main "oldbie" users of the Anime section I must say this really doesn't bother me that much, I just ignore those threads.

Nestorath69 · Post by **Nestorath69** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:31 pm

The point is, they shouldn't be there to begin with.

Calim · Post by **Calim** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:35 pm

Although the reposting of certain topics is a problem tempa banning or perma banning for it isn't a solution at all because you will get nOObs that come into the forum and post a topic about it without reading the forum rules at all. Even if there is a "READ THE FUCKING FORUM RULES" header in bold letters not all will ignore it but most will thats just life.

I also have a concern about the proactive way of moderation you guys might be taking on, if your going to get stricter on us with bans and everything with such a limited discussion area (only things that pertain to anime (even some anime can't be talked about) and AMVs, how to make them, help, tips, etc. Then I think you should atleast give us another topic discussion area thats not related to anime at all, maybe something like Political Discussions or something like that.

*shrug* its really just an idea.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:49 pm

Well, there is a difference between "I'm really really new and just know" and the "I can't be bothered to search so...." posts.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:05 pm

Nestorath69 wrote: lessee... examples... Other than the consistent reposting of the same stuff, over and over and over? You don't see this as a definitive problem? How many times must you see OMG WTF?!?! (anime series here) IS FUKING WITH MY HED!!!111!!one!!1!

The only way it would bother me is if it was the exact same people reposting said topics. Since they're new people or people who didn't partake in the previous discussion, I don't mind at all.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:24 pm

Nestorath69 wrote:Other than the consistent reposting of the same stuff, over and over and over? You don't see this as a definitive problem?

If people weren't flamed for adding onto those 'same stuff' older threads, then maybe they would bother to add onto them instead of starting new ones. But we hate necroposters, remember? And if you can't add onto the existing threads, the only alternative is to start a new thread about the exact same thing.

Just take away people's right to start a thread. Clear out Gen Anime and let the mods/admin/smart people create the threads they think should exist here. Then everyone else can post on those threads, and you'll never see another 'new crap' thread popping up. If someone wants to discuss something that doesn't exist, he can drop a suggestion in this section - asking for a thread in which he can talk about that subject. The admin can think about it and if they agree it's a reasonable subject for members to talk about, they can create a new thread. And if they think idiots are posting too much in one of their threads, they can ban the offending individuals - or just take away their ability to post until they write an appology for being stupid to the admin who 'banned' them - or permanently if you want to really crack down on the stupid members. Better yet, make people write an intro essay to be allowed to post. Those who don't show appropriate ability to be intelligent stay off the forum, or become 'read-only' members until they get smart enough to join as 'real' members.

Honestly, if you want a police state, there are simple, strict ways to go about it without copy-catting another forum and clogging the place up with stickies. The admins already make their own rules about what is and is not an appropriate subject to be discussed. Surely they can create their own threads to make sure people only talk about reasonable topics - completely eliminating the crap threads. After that, it's just a matter of finding a way to keep the dumb posters from spoiling those 'good' threads.

/not sarcasm, resignation

Calim · Post by **Calim** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:42 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Well, there is a difference between "I'm really really new and just know"

Those are the punks I'm talking about ;D

Nestorath69 · Post by **Nestorath69** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:43 pm

Ah, but if they honestly, truely wanted to feel like they were to make a valid contribution, don't you think the perspective newbie (or n00b, as the case may be) would be intelligent enought to lurk, learn, and read the FAQs? If they're going to be ignorant, then they deserve whatever flames they get. From what I've seen from other forums, a simple "Read the FAQ" notice will likely set the 'offending n00b' (I use that with mild sarcasm) straight.

The idea is not to necropost. If someone has a particular question; say, Trigun, I'm sure we have a billion and a half trigun related threads that they could browse through, find the info they want, WITHOUT having to resurrect. The answers are all there, we've just been too lazy to go looking for them.

Arigatomyna- I'm not looking for a police state, i would like to kickstart this forum into something that is smoothly running, instead of backpeddling in the mucky muck. I've no real status other than 'established monkey', but I feel I'd like to give back to something that's helped me so much. I don't understand why you're opposed to it.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:14 pm

Which would you rather have? A thread that gets necroposted every once in a while and a response like, "Dude, this was already discussed on page 30" or new threads. Both are a bother however there are always new people and effectively, new threads on the past discussed topics.

Many people are joining every day. When I checked a few minutes ago there were 411 users that signed up to the site today alone. Granted while most of them won't post on the forum, there will still be a lot of 'newbies' that will. Some of these people also have never used a forum before and are anxious to jump in and have a good time. That is fine and dandy but they might not know about the power of the forum search yet. It is reasonable to assume then that there is a good chance these people will repost discussed topics.

The thing that bugs me more than repeated topics and I think sould be dealt with are people that think they know more than the people they belittle, or they are hypocrites. Aside from this and a few other threads I always seen you calling people n00bs and getting (overly) frustrated with them. Instead of harrassing them perhaps you could tell them that this subject has been discussed in the past and even link them to said threads. It is even said in the site rules.

1. Thou shalt be courteous at all times including visiting conventions, forum posts, opinions given, and opinions received. Respect other's judgment though you may disagree with it. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all.

5. If a member (most likely a newbie) posts to the wrong forum, you as a knowing member must 1) answer the question they posted and then 2) point out which forum is the most approprate one to post to about such items. The forum moderator will (most likely) soon move the thread.

8.The forum will not be used for any kind of personal attacks.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:02 pm

Nestorath69 wrote:Arigatomyna- I'm not looking for a police state, i would like to kickstart this forum into something that is smoothly running, instead of backpeddling in the mucky muck. I've no real status other than 'established monkey', but I feel I'd like to give back to something that's helped me so much. I don't understand why you're opposed to it.

So far the only thing I've been apposed to was having the admins of this site call me stupid for having an intelligent conversation - the statement that people who posted in those 'now locked' threads were all idiots without whom the forum would be better off. I took insult to that, and I'll continue to take insult to that. Since when is trying to add a thoughtful commentary proof of being an idiot? Regardless of how many there have been, there has always been room to add inteligent responses to those threads. If I make a mistake, I'll admit I'm stupid. But I refuse to have my intelligence belittled for thinking.

As for what I said here, I'm completely serious. How can you prevent stupid threads? Don't let people make them. Simple. Don't let people make threads. A hundred locked threads is going to look nasty within a week. A few deleted posts and banned members, though - few people would even notice the absence (just the ones being banned). It is the quickest and most foolproof way to eliminate the problem of having stupid threads made by stupid people.

I'm not against the idea of cleaning up the forum, I'm just saying if you want it done right, do it entirely. Don't do this "delete/cut back one section at a time" method. It's just a slow death to the people you're trying to weed out. Do it and get it over with - cut out the problem. Let us see what it's like in this utopia, and you'll get your backers - the rest will get used to it or leave. Case closed, no arguments, no people asking for the removed 'rights' or 'sections' to be brought back. If they can't make threads, the mods/admin can govern the site better than having to watch constantly to delete/lock those dumb threads. Instead, they can moderate the 50 or so ones they deem intelligent enough to exist here.