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Post by Nestorath69 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:50 am

This forum is for suggestion on how to make this a better web site.
My Instructor always says; Never complain about a problem unless you have a viable solution to suggest, otherwise you're blowing air and contributing to the problem.

Brief Introduction: I've been a part of these forums for two years now, Seen changes, good and bad. I've done stupid and ignorant things, Other times I feel I’ve made a valid contribution.

The Problem: (as I see it) There's a fair amount of Old topic reposting (again, i give examples: Evangelion, the Vs. Threads (I know that they're gone, thank god) and the incessant need to mindlessly spam.)

The Solution: My Instructor also says "When you find someone or something that is successful, Copy them"; and I defer to him in this case. The forums of www.megatokyo.com have aggressive and proactive moderators that continuously browse the threads on and off during the day, locking threads, tempbanning where necessary. Each area of the forums is proactively moderated by an average of two to four mods, which dispense consistent behavior. Accidents are forgivable, Ignorance and stupidity are not. In that 'heavy handed' environment, repetition is discouraged, rational discussion encouraged, and the medium of anime and everything else is carefully cultivated. I've been there for several months now, and wholeheartedly vaunt their methods as a valid solution to this problem! Proactive moderation is far, far more effective then reactive moderation.
If the current site administrators are incapable of taking on such a daunting task, You can recruit from the ranks of those established. (I nominate Flint The Dwarf, for one.)

Opinion: This problem of wading through incessant drivel just to find certain things has reached a point of actual frustration within me, to the point where I would request a full termination of my account if something isn’t done!

Rather than posting this in the Moderator drop box, I post it in the Site Suggestions box in the hopes that the forum Administrators and Moderators and the rest of us peons will have a rational and healthy discourse on how we can clear out the dead wood, as it were.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:16 am

I do understand your concerns and you are correct to raise them.

Phade has always wanted moderation to be "reactive" rather than "proactive", as you have described. Whether this will change... well, I think that this should be discussed a little bit more by the users of the forum.

So, do people think we should have more proactive moderation?

One thing that people can do already is point to forum rules on other boards. I have no objection to forum comparisons and will happily adopt any general practices that other boards use.

More specific things like edit buttons, types of thread and so on, I'd prefer recommended in their own thread so they can be given proper discussion. General practices, however, I'd like to be discussed here - particularly if you can show me examples of good forum practices on other boards you visit.

Obviously every forum is different as the people who visit them vary, but there are things to be learned, so any helpful suggestions are welcome.
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Post by Zarxrax » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:35 am

I agree with the parent post, though I'd also like to point out that I think the forums have really been getting a lot better lately. There is a lot more active and consistent moderation than there used to be. While I think strictly enforced rules make for an overall better forum experience, I am curious what sorts of posts you have objections against? Nothing has really caught my attention lately as being out of line that hasn't been dealt with by the moderators.
Are you merely complaining about reposted topics? I agree there is a lot of that, and there should be more done to curb it. Perhaps a waiting period after signing up, like they have at doom9.org. Also whenever people post something that has been asked before, we should probably make an effort to show them how they could have found their answer sooner by using the search or reading, showing specific keywords that they should have used. If someone continually makes these same types of posts after repeated instruction to search first, perhaps temporary ban is in order.

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Post by Nestorath69 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:56 am

A few minor additions, in regards to AD's post.

There isn't much I can do, except show by example. I'll post links here in a moment.

http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?s ... 5948&st=75
(an example of proactive moderation)

http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1661431
(an example of a FAQ/Sticky that everyone is referred to when they post)

http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1479278
(another sticky, one that I feel should be copied and modified for our own anime forum.)

Cosmetics: Post count? I'd kind of like to see where I stand in regards to my fellow forumites in # of posts. Although this isn't necessary in the slightest.

Functionality: Warn meter. Everyone on MT has a warn meter that shows how close they get to a full ban of their account, and when they recieve a tempban, they get a mark on their meter, and a PM why they were tempbanned. This information is confidential (i.e; I can't see your warn meter, you can't see mine) but it's an obvious reminder of how your post should be convenient and relevant.

Proactive mods: ...I was going to originally nominate myself because I'm an assertive person, mature, and responsible, but looking back at my previous posts I can't do that. I again, vote for the more established users offered a Mod position to coordinate with the Staff Admins to reduce the clutter.
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Post by )v(ajin Koji » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:08 pm

Nes, show me all the places where this forum is falling apart and I will take you seriously.
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:11 pm

We probably have more mods than you realise.

As for clutter cutting, there's a couple of simple things I want to start to do which will help (only in a small way, but worthy notheless)

1) Have the forum rules shown as a big bold link the the header, with clearer rules about things you can and cannot post. I like the doom9 rules on post content. Will read the MT ones now.

2) Have an FAQ for each forum, listed as an announcement. This will be used to collect together bits of information that aren't covered in the guides (or arent necessarily easy to find in the guides) and give other various advice.

I will need to check the forum setup to see if having a waiting period for forum posts is easy to set up. If it is, I will include it. Hopefully this should mean the guides and faqs are read more than they are.

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Post by Cloud Clone » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:41 pm

The reason that there's no spam at Megatokyo is probably because it's really hard to get OT when there are topics for everything you could want. Spam here is sometimes unavoidable when conversing about certain topics because they just don't fit into the categories provided here.

When threads such as "Favorite pizza topping," "The Insults And Putdowns Thread," and "If you were to conquer the world" threads all exist, then there's no reason togo OT in other threads. [/valid point]
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Post by Nestorath69 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:42 pm

)v(ajin Koji wrote:Nes, show me all the places where this forum is falling apart and I will take you seriously.
If I had a gun to your head, you wouldn't take me seriously. That's the nature of our interaction with each other.

lessee... examples... Other than the consistent reposting of the same stuff, over and over and over? You don't see this as a definitive problem? How many times must you see OMG WTF?!?! (anime series here) IS FUKING WITH MY HED!!!111!!one!!1! (typically Evangelion, though I've seen it with others.)

Okay, so these complaints are mainly relegated to the Anime Section. One thing I'd like to take the opportunity to point out is for a while (can't remember if it was fixed or not) there was a huge string of 'AVS Synthscript error, HELP' in the Video help threads. I imagine this has been resolved.

I suppose the idea I'm shooting for is a streamlining of our current system.
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Post by DJ_Izumi » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:00 pm

IBL! IBL! IBL!!! CHAR IS TEH HAWT AZN GURL! ^.^

(Only those from Megatokyo [A Forum that has an edit button] would get that. XD)
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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:04 pm

Nestorath69 wrote:there was a huge string of 'AVS Synthscript error, HELP' in the Video help threads. I imagine this has been resolved.
I'm fixing that more through the software by making the guide more foolproof and by having a testing program in the AMVapp :)

I agree that General Anime is of the most concern at the moment, but it is not the only place where these things arise.

I do have some ideas for General Anime and I will discuss those with the other admins and try and get them implemented.

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