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Re: Opinions on The Matrix Reloaded

Post by KG » Thu May 15, 2003 6:16 pm

(NERD Studios) Arturo wrote:
The movie's problems can easily be summed up in a single word: excessiveness. The big speeches were to long. The fight scenes used to much CG. And the random dancing/softcore porno scene was <I>way</I> to long by a factor of roughly ten.
I pretty much agree. Neo sucks cuz we know he cant lose. I wanted to see more mOrpheus. ALL the Zion scenes sucked. The twins were cool, but in the end, all they did was shoot off guns,

THE GOOD? Smith. SMITH SMITH SMITH. I love that bastard.

The story? Complex? Yeah, but necessarily so. The story bogged itself down with loads of philosphical references (esp from the 18th century), and given the TERRIBLE ENDING, it needed something to intrigue me into seeing Revolutions.

But, like the first, it aspires to alot and settles for little. "I love you to damn much." Thats UGH. Thats just UGH.
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Post by Jebadia » Thu May 15, 2003 6:55 pm

Ah yes, a movie like this your either gonna love it..hate it..or just go meh..it was cool.

Frankly I think I had the biggest orgasm ever watching it. The movie was litterally an orgy of distruction..with an actual orgy in it. Though most would agree that the sex scene was way too long, it was cool to see the largest mosh pit in cinematic history since "Eyes Wide Shut".

Smith sure gets around in this movie, though tends to keep himself on the downlow until more appropriate times. (him and Neo are so gonna kick each others ass in the next movie) The fights with him/s was just incredible to watch. I very much enjoyed watching the Smiths being swatted in all directions.

The sound track was somewhat recognizable in moments when I could hear "Furious Angel's" being played during the fight scenes.

The twins .... SPOILERS AHEAD, DANGER, DANGER!!


















Well the twins were cool at first, but should of done more than have a machine gun and a backseat brawl. Hopefully if they're in the next movie, since I can't see how they died in the explosion, it was too iffy and most likely they'll make a comeback.

Trinity's revival? I thought it was a bit too far, but I guess i'll pay up to see her in the next movie.

Bane....yes you know who...the guy who is supposedly under smiths control I suppose. Hopefully he'll have a more decent role in the next movie than just cutting his hand and setting up traps for his fellow soldiers.

Morpheus now has that philisophical stick pulled out of his ass now that is prophecy isn't true. Oh snap. But he still had his good moments, though his sword action was a little sup par to what it could of been. I was like watching a 6 year old playing baseball. I'm glad he put it to good use on the twins.

Seraph's moment was brief, but as forseen in the preview of the next movie, he'll have more ass kicking to do..which seems like what he does best.

Key Maker was kinda hokey, but he served his purpose which ended soon enough thankfully.

The woman having the orgasm....well...that's what she gets for ordering the special. Though it was rather pointless, it did build (the guy who was holding the Keymaker)'s character as a witty yet perverted person.

What I like is the combination of the movie..and of the shorts from the Animatrix, where things such as the Osirus was mentioned and that kid who followed Neo around I suppose was the kid from "Kid's Story" though I may be wrong.

The Architect talk in a way which I could only understand every 3 words he mentioned, but I think I remember him saying that there was 6 matrix designs, another biblical reference? as in the 6 days it God to create the world?

Overall I'd give this movie a borderline grade of B+ to A-, where it had it's downs, it was still a great movie and never really looses the viewers interest unless you get lost in all the talking.
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Post by Brsrk » Thu May 15, 2003 7:13 pm

I just got back from the theater an hour or so ago with some friends and we all agree: great movie. We also agreed that the 2 best scenes were the car chase (lots of flipping cars and Morpheus (sp?) with a Katana) and when Neo was fighting all of the Smiths, now THAT's comedy! When they dogpiled on him, i leaned over to one of my friends and went "SMITH PILE!!!" We started laughing. Also, the ending was harsh on Matrix lovers, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO END IT ON A NOTE LIKE THAT >_<;; Although I guess it holds the suspense for another 3-4 years until the 3rd and final installment is made. When they were in the real world and stopped the sentinals (sp?) like he does with bullets in the Matrix, we all looked at eachother and were like "A matrix within a matrix, what the hell is up with that?" Then we finished the movie and liked it, but the words "To Be Concluded" made me find out the movie was over and complained that we had to wait 3-4 years for another Matrix.

And about the sex scene. I thought it wasn't really necessary, but it carried the story along for the 5-10 minutes that it was on.

The people that sell tickets at the local Showcase Cinemas are stupid also. One lady asked if I was 17 (I'm actually 16) and I replied "Yes" and was waiting for the line "Can I see some ID?" So I continued to buy my ticket and that was that. A 15 year old friend did the same, it was funny...

Smith was replicated many times in the movie and the funniest scenes with him were the one where he met the maker of the matrix and when he faught the 50-60 Smiths... Now THAT was comedy!!!
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Post by Brsrk » Thu May 15, 2003 7:18 pm

...we had to wait 3-4 years for another Matrix.
I have just been informed: it comes out this Nov, sweet! I didn't stay for the ending and neither did my friends. Sorry for the double posting also.
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Post by shadow-the-hedgehog » Thu May 15, 2003 11:42 pm

Morpheous speech was a bit like lets say Noah from 10 Comandments...
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Post by KG » Fri May 16, 2003 1:13 am

shadow-the-hedgehog wrote:Morpheous speech was a bit like lets say Noah from 10 Comandments...
except shitty
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Post by shadow-the-hedgehog » Fri May 16, 2003 4:32 am

and with a "rave" after,
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Re: Opinions on The Matrix Reloaded [SPOILERS]

Post by GoldenGundam » Fri May 16, 2003 10:41 am

(NERD Studios) Arturo wrote: "CG was originally used as a new tool to improve movies. These days it seems almost like a crutch."

There is a quote from Jackie Chan that goes something like this:

"[Now] when I look at American movie, I'm very disappointed, for myself. Why? Nothing to learn. All computer [generated]. Even now you give me a computer, I don't know how to type."
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Post by Lyrs » Fri May 16, 2003 12:17 pm

Hey...we can wait till teh DBZ movie comes out and compare.

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Post by Sagara Sanosuke » Fri May 16, 2003 2:47 pm

The movie had a few short falls some of which have already been stated. No offence to the Wachowski brothers, but I feel that they might have been a little to ambitious with this sequal. I say this sequal because the 3rd and final installment of the triliogy has yet to be released. Regrettably since they were both sequals were filmed at the same time, it would seem as thought that Revolutions will be delt the unfortunate card of following suit.

Heres how I view the production in my mind, WB refusing to give the Wachowski brothers to part of directing the movie due to their lack of expiernce. I'm pretty sure u know the story of them making their short film and WB then allowing them to direct the movie, if ya don't there are probably plenty of places u can read about it. Anyway, from there they cautiously approtched the filming alowing them to create quite literaly a phenomenon. The success of the first film more then undoubtly made the Wachowski brother more ambitious. "Cause and effect" right? "Fate, it seems, is not without a sence of Irony".
KungPaoChicken wrote:I think that people expected way too much out of this movie.

Still, there is a fair amount of excessiveness in the film, but would we have it any other way? Any less and we would be crying for more. It's a queer paradox. They took what worked and ran with it, can we fault them for that? It's a very human thing to do, and hard to criticize especially when we know we would probably make the same decisions if it were up to us.
True we may have exepected maybe a little to much from this movie and it's also true that many of us, if in their position, would have made the same mistake. But then there are those that have a sense and the experience to know when something is just enough or excessive. What changed between the first and the 2nd movie? It might not have been their ambition, it may have been their lack of expierince or it might not be eaither.

In anycase I'd have to agree that at some points in the movie there was an excessive amount of things that werent nesscaily needed to be dweled upon, as pervious posts suggested the sex scene, the long (and at times overly melodramatic) speeches, the explination from the Architect and the very lame dance scene. The Smith battle being another accessive point in my mind, they could have spent probably have the time they did on that and still have it come out to be a good scene in the movie.

Excessive in the areas that really didn't need the amount of explination they recieved. In the amount of wasted film time they could have posisbly give more insight into areas that the viewers would have liked to have seen, IE more background information about and fights with the twins. Which was a concept and character underplayed in the movie that had much potential.

Another problem that I personally found was the use of humor. I can understand comic relief when it's used properly, but at some points when they tried to be funny it just didn't fit in my opinion.

Dispite all of this I loved the movie and can hardly wait til the Revolutions comes out later this year.

The one thing that meats or beats it's counterpart in the frist movie is the Soundtrack, which is a MUST have. *swoons over the soundtrack*
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