Presidential Elections 2004

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Post by kthulhu » Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:32 pm

EarthCurrent wrote:NADER IN 04!!!
You mean that Republican puppet, who was paid to run so he could siphon votes from the Democrats :lol: ?

As for me, anybody but Bush, too. Libertarian or possibly Natural Law :shock: . I'm not leftist enough to vote Green or Socialist 8) .

I dislike the two big parties. They both just seem alike.
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Post by klinky » Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:36 pm

Veldrin wrote: Scuse!? *HIT WITH STICK* Actually I am in the wig party.
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Post by MistyCaldwell » Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:39 pm

With electoral votes and voting for parties that are good but don't have a chance, how could Nader have taken votes away from the democrats anyway? I mean if it didn't even mean anything in the end... :wink:

And Ralph Nader has done some good stuff. If you think about it, those crash test dummies probably would have never existed if not for him. Then those PSA and even the cartoon they had would never have existed...so sad.
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Post by Kamoc » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:13 pm

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<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0 ... ">reverend mua strickson-pua for president.</a>

we don't need us none of that "theorisin' n' hypothesisin'" crap. damn liberals.
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Post by madmallard » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:29 pm

[quote="MAS PRODUCTIONS"]This is the first election where I can actually vote. I plan on voting for anybody else except for Bush. I dont care who it is. I have yet to see the independant parties canidate, I might just vote for them. Im still mad about the current voting system though. Growing up I always believed that every vote counted but in 2000 I found out about the electorial college. I guess it took me so long to find out what it was because growing up I really didn't care. I personally believe that the popular vote is the way we should elect our presidents. The electoral college seems to be a cheap rip off of an election. It make it seem like an entire state votes for one canidate. [quote]

then maybe instead of the presidency you'll pay attention to the elections that really matter. your local state senate and house representatives.
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Post by madmallard » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:34 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:I think it's obvious :?

What I really REALLY hope for is a strong democratic candidate. None of the guys so far seem very note-worthy and it worries me. At least we'll have more than a year to get to know them.
is there any particular reason? democrats have no platform and nobody that people want to listen to anymore.

Also if Bush just lets the troops sit in the mid-east getting picked off for the next year, I imagine the military votes won't be as grand for him this time around.
or, for helping them prove their honorability, they will vote for him. And as far as the mortality rate, its comparable to the soldier that die in accidents from training. . .as well as public servants in fire/police in a major city over the space of a year. While the death is terrible, it is not something to blame on any circumstance other than work hazards normally associated with the job.
Whatever...I can't really imagine the foreign diplomacy front getting a whole lot worse at this point anyway :?

*hears the ticking time bomb*
did you have something particular you're afraid of?
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Post by KhayotiK » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:28 am

I'm republican, and my strength in that only grew whilst listening and watching the democrats, then hearing people who came back say how much it hurt their moral to see protesters. I heard they'll be going back in august or september, also, and it's gonna be great hearing more bitching.

I hate this thread already. :?
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Post by MistyCaldwell » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:43 pm

sixstop wrote: did you have something particular you're afraid of?
Aside from the general world view of the United States' military approach to problems (no matter if their government is 'on our side'...you and I both know it doesn't take a nation's government to form a dangerous terrorist/militia group) and the diplomatic consequences of not finding the WMD's......this:


http://www.tribnet.com/opinion/columnis ... 2091c.html


With no confirmed deaths on the guys we were supposed to hunt down, I highly doubt that money is just going to buy him a nice island for retirement on the south seas.

As for the occupation of Iraq, I know some people who are still over there. I don't know where they are at any given moment and everytime I hear someone got shot I hold my breath until I know the name. With the militant and organized attacks that continue and little to no progress in the last few weeks to contain it, and despite the "small" casualties percentage wise :? , I don't hold out much hope. Not that I ever thought it was the right way in the first place. However, I can honestly say I would much rather be wrong about the whole thing :?
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Post by madmallard » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:32 pm

good concerns.

I dont think finding the WMD will be much trouble as time rolls on. .

if we haven't found anything by christmas it may be time to get uneasy.

And hunting down Saddam and kin is a bonus, not a primary objective, so I'm not too concerned about that. Yes, the money can fund terror, but he's not directly interested in terror on the United States on the other side of the world. he's interested in terror on our 'interests.' which means he'll probably be looking to try and set himself up in another government, and pressure US to get out, then stage a revolution/coup and get back in iraq, or wherever.

but as that stands, the money talked about is not enough to fund an army or anything, so you're right in the problem isnt direct, its amorphous.

but i was more concerned with the commodities at risk. The world is too dependant on oil to have him in charge of a big chunk of it. That commodity is more valueable to our cause than any cash he might've made off with.

As far as the millitant attacks. a squad of Iraqis may be organised and attack, and while the death of an American/british serving is horrible; the average kill ratio has been about 70:1 since the major invasion concluded and 'occuptation' began. so for that one soldier that died, 70 iraqi men were wiped out.

more specifically to the election, theres nobody on the democratic ticket that people will want to vote for facing against bush. and they know that. Thats why all the 'serious' candidates aren't talking about how they're running for president because they know most likely they'll get shot down and ruin any chance to run again.

they'll chicken out and put a mickey mouse candidate up rather than have the stones to go for it anyways because they, like all politicians, are only concerned with keeping their job when it comes down to it.
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Post by NME » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:38 pm

Its gonna be decided the way the last one was, unfairly.
A man was elected that no one wanted elected. Done.

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