religon yes or no

WarpedElements · Post by **WarpedElements** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:31 pm

Poor lyrs. And people say I'M delerious for my "blind faith". Oh well, atleast in death i'll have the satisfaction of knowing i'm right.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:34 pm

MinnieMoose wrote:Poor lyrs. And people say I'M delerious for my "blind faith". Oh well, atleast in death i'll have the satisfaction of knowing i'm right.

are you giving up? you sure sound like it. a devout christain you are.

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:35 pm

Lyrs wrote:
MistyCaldwell wrote:But evolution is just a genetic mutation...not a synonym for improvement.
i want to capitalize on that point. evolution is not about progressive advancements toward some higher being, it is about random, local change. sure, these random changes often can form new speices able to survive more efficiently, but that doesn't mean that the new species was meant to be.

Not to sound simple, or take the easy way out, but i believe that God created Evolution.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:36 pm

Jim Hawkings21122 wrote:
Lyrs wrote:
MistyCaldwell wrote:But evolution is just a genetic mutation...not a synonym for improvement.
i want to capitalize on that point. evolution is not about progressive advancements toward some higher being, it is about random, local change. sure, these random changes often can form new speices able to survive more efficiently, but that doesn't mean that the new species was meant to be.
Not to sound simple, or take the easy way out, but i believe that God created Evolution.

then the bible is wrong.

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:37 pm

Lyrs wrote:
Jim Hawkings21122 wrote:
Lyrs wrote:
MistyCaldwell wrote:But evolution is just a genetic mutation...not a synonym for improvement.
i want to capitalize on that point. evolution is not about progressive advancements toward some higher being, it is about random, local change. sure, these random changes often can form new speices able to survive more efficiently, but that doesn't mean that the new species was meant to be.
Not to sound simple, or take the easy way out, but i believe that God created Evolution.
then the bible is wrong.

Not ALL just like 2/3 or so.........

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:39 pm

Of course, that's not what the church(es) was(were) saying when Darwin came up with it.

Hawking wrote:Throughout the 1970s I had been mainly studying black holes, but in 1981 my interest in questions about the origin and fate of the universe was reawakened when I attended a conference on cosmology organized by the Jesuits in the Vatican. The Catholic Church had made a bad mistake with Galileo when it tried to lay down the law on a question of science, declaring that the sun went round the earth. Now, centuries later, it had decided to invite a number of experts to advise it on cosmology. At the end of the conference the participants were granted an audience with the Pope. He told us that it was all right to study the evolution of the universe after the big bang, but we should not inquire into the big bang itself because that was the moment of Creation and therefore the work of God. I was glad then that he did not know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference – the possibility that space-time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation. I had no desire to share the fate of Galileo, with whom I feel a strong sense of identity, partly because of the coincidence of having been born exactly 300 years after his death!

WarpedElements · Post by **WarpedElements** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:40 pm

Lyrs, lyrs, dear kid, you've still provided me with nothing. All you're doing is shaking your finger and going "you're wrong"

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:41 pm

MinnieMoose wrote:I've been there. I dunno if we have been to the moon or not. Who knows. Certainly not civilians who arean't aloud to go up there.

Not believing it is understandable...just don't bring up reasons for doubt from that ridiculous fox special on the hoax. People just discredit themselves by citing that as a legitimate arguement.

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:43 pm

Reminds me of my seventh grade English teacher.... spent a whole class arguing about how the earth was indeed flat, and the borders were the oceans...

And my previous post referrewd to Jim's

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:44 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:
MinnieMoose wrote:I've been there. I dunno if we have been to the moon or not. Who knows. Certainly not civilians who arean't aloud to go up there.
Not believing it is understandable...just don't bring up reasons for doubt from that ridiculous fox special on the hoax. People just discredit themselves by citing that as a legitimate arguement.

The flag waiving........Solar winds my ass..........