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Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:21 am

yes, what makes you thyink we'd go easy on an american soldier that';s being court martialed for rape?

If americans didn't care about rapes, it wouldn't be illegal. But it is, we set the law because americans see it as a bad thing, the soldier would be tryed here, and just as sevre as anywhere else.

akatoro · Post by **akatoro** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:30 am

If sweden had soldiers overseas and they commited a crime they would be trialed by sweden thats how international law works.

We do have soldiers abroad and if they would commit such a crime they would be trialed both by the UN and under Swedish laws.

I admit that flint_the_dwarf has a good point there as well.

Sure. It'd be nice if they would, though. Does this also mean that you think that the genocide in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia is OK, and should not be stopped?

Much of the murders in Rwanda was due to whites keeping land from the colony-days. Can't say I know much about the Yugoslavian incidents.
- The people are angry because white farmers got lots of land where they really should not be. How they were 'overthrown' was horrible indeed, but I realise that the african community had a hard time understanding that 'right' of the white people.
- Giving the farms to people who didn't know what to do with it was wrong as well, no doubt.

And the saying 'they don't have the stability to make money' is just what the corporations are saying. So they keep it for themselves.

You'd rather not see world unity and the potential for peace?

Not by force or anything that goes against the religion or ideals with each and every country. Seems very unlikely, almost impossible to do. But until there is a good way of achieving world peace, there shouldn't be none.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 10:38 am

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

Misty Caldwell...I thank you. Beyond all the arguments I have against the ridiculous notion of blind patriotism to any country, this post of yours is a simple, factual, work of art. I have nothing left to say about the matter because of you....thanx again.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:23 pm

kthulhu wrote:
akatoro wrote:How would World Peace be achieved? By the American military and government?
How is the American way the best way? Does everyone have to be americans to be 'normal', peaceful and live in a friendly world?
How do you think world peace (which I personally don't think is totally possible) can be achieved, then, if not through force?

We all know that the man of the house is THE MAN of the house right? The woman is there to cook the meals, clean, and spread eagle. The boy is there to grow up and take over daddy's buisness. Everyone has their place and follow's daddy's law.....Might makes right....duh! /end sarcasm.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:30 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:Yeah, I do have a lot less respect for my governement than most people...and I am certainly not a blind patriot. I just don't have any faith in them because I look at the facts and then how they fail to present it to the general public. They know the general public are not too worried or involved in the World's politics and that is the fault of the people themselves. But they use it to their advantage. How many Americans go to a foreign news source once a day? A week? A month? Hardly any. But I do.

Propaganda exists everywhere but somewhere on the polar ends of all these opinions is the truth and most amercians never get to realize that. Most of them are busy with jobs, some are just lazy and others are blinded by the decent lifestyles they have to bother to think about others...some have problems of their own and some are just blind patriots. That's how I see it. But I still look at the horrible things the government has done without too much notice to everyone. I lose respect naturally.

And then there is the cnn reports about what our troops are doing 24/7. It happened like that in the Gulf War but they used it as a tool to 'fool' Saddam though not very well. Right now the tactic is scare tactics. It's a bully tactic and I don't like it....and I don't like being represented to the world in a way I don't agree with.

Seconds notion........*where were you during the GOFireflies discussion*

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:59 pm

Unfortunatly Wykith, you were on one of the polar ends, and Mr oni was the other. Very little factuall information was brought in by anyone other than Kthulhu and I. That is why I give him the utmost respect when he argues a point.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:56 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Unfortunatly Wykith, you were on one of the polar ends, and Mr oni was the other. Very little factuall information was brought in by anyone other than Kthulhu and I. That is why I give him the utmost respect when he argues a point.

Actually....I'm not on any polar end. That's the whole point. And I'm supporting misty's views on this.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:59 pm

EDIT BUTTON DAMMIT!!!

No you're right. On the Grave discussion I did take the polar opposite of Mr. Oni.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 4:14 pm

And in a way, it was needed.

He made some extreme comments, and you came back with some extreme comments going the other direction.

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 4:23 pm

jonmartensen wrote:And in a way, it was needed.

He made some extreme comments, and you came back with some extreme comments going the other direction.

True...very true. I love to watch him squirm. I was getting to you too there for awhile. Not that I wanted to.
I gotta stop being lazy about re-researching the facts I have about the empire. Luckily for me Misty pulled a freaking bazooka out of her pocket. nuff said....night.