Bush's anouncement

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:52 pm

Yep 10:15 said his press secratary.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:55 pm

buddykiller wrote:
Mroni wrote:
buddykiller wrote:
Mroni wrote:Shut up Milo you're a retard. We didnt put Saddam in power he did that through internal revolution. You won't to keep believing every leftist paper you read go ahead. We helped him out against Iran but I don't really see anything wrong with that. I don't believe the democrats anymore than the republicans. I know that democrats around here stuff the ballads by paying homeless crack heads to vote so poo on them. Whine,cry piss yourself all you want we are going to win. And the Iraquis will be better off for it. As for The Un fuck them. They never were any help anyway.

Mr Oni
i think we just found america's fanboy.... if bush told you to stick your head up your ass you'd ask how far....

Quiet newbie You don't have to ask anybody on this board about how I feel about this subject. Anyway I should have Ignored his post. But he is a retard anyway.

Mr Oni
newbie???? look at my join date, you've only been here like what 5 days before me? i say you're america's fanboy because everytime somebody says something that you don't agree with you just try to run 'em into the ground like your afraid they have a more valid point than yours! you just automaticaly assume that america's right in everything it does and you just automaticaly assume that we're the biggest and the badest... lets see, history repeats it's self and all big empires have collapsed because they tried to push everybody around and babysit the world, hmmm sounds a lil familiar eh? just because we're america and we have a big expensive army doesn't mean shit, we don't even have the support of half of america in this war!!!! you remind me of some stupid ass drunken redneck "america rules rar rar rar" well america isn't the shit, we're just some big bully pushing all these other little countries around forcing our beleifs on them and one day that will bite us in the ass...

Well you dont post much do you. Anyway if you knew how much I despise Mr Milo for good reason you would let well enough alone. I believe in what I type sir I don't know about you it seems to be mighty trendy to bash this country without thinking what you are saying through. And you are totally wrong we are the shit sir if that is the terminalogy you must use. We have helped out all these countries in the past and now they are ungrateful little filth whores fuck them I say. A good day to you sir.

Mr Oni

Mr Oni

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:08 pm

buddykiller wrote:newbie???? look at my join date, you've only been here like what 5 days before me? i say you're america's fanboy because everytime somebody says something that you don't agree with you just try to run 'em into the ground like your afraid they have a more valid point than yours!

noooo, that's CaT

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:21 pm

Sounds like the Kids over in Iraq were after a "Target of Opportunity" with most military analysts argueing that this target was most likely some sort of high level Iraqi government or military official.

It's obviously to early to speculate...but crimee...imagine that it was Saddam...

A 5 minute war...?

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:29 pm

Three USS DONALD COOK (DDG 75) based Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM) sprint through the Thursday morning sky towards Iraq, March 20, 2003. The ship's TLAMs are among the first to be fired in the liberation of Iraq. COOK is an Arleigh Burke class destroyer operating in the Red Sea in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. DoD photo by Chief Petty Officer Alan J. Baribeau, U.S. Navy.

http://www.pentagon.mil/multimedia/

MCWagner · Post by **MCWagner** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:32 pm

UncleMilo wrote: "In what appears to be a mass fraud committed by the state of Florida...blah blah blah

-Quote taken from the book "Stupid White Men"

Ah...Michael Moore. That paragon of unmitigated truth.

Seriously, I'd suggest against taking any of these "facts" at face value and start looking at some of his detractors. The rate at which this man just fabricates things could outstrip a sweatshop. See: Bowling for Columbine. (Geez..a lie in the title for heaven's sake...)

Tell me, anywhere in that chapter does he mention the thousands of dead citizens that got up and voted Democrat that day? Now that's a devoted constituancy. Heck, they even voted one of their own into office.

Some other thoughts on the war.

1) The UN's job is to help try to keep things stable. It is their duty to try to prevent a war from starting. People shouldn't get so pissed at the UN for trying to do all they can to stop a war.

As I said, war should always be a last resort. The UN, as a group, however, refused to recognize it as a resort at all...through France's representative on the security council who said that they would automatically veto any bill that included military action in Iraq. Not that they'd have to be persuaded otherwise, but that they would automatically veto it. That's why A) we gave up on the UN and B) the US is so pissed at France right now. Had we stayed, it would have been another round after round of inspections, ultimately leading to nothing. 17 resolutions had already been passed against Iraq with no result. The system wasn't working, and it was time to abandon it, rather than be mired indefinitely in an idealist structure that had Lybia at the head of it's "Human Rights" council.

2) We can get around the UN if we really want to fight someone. After all... in Viet Nam, we were never at "war". It was a "Police Action"... pretty clever, huh?

As has everyone else. There have only been three wars approved by the UN in fifty years. Iraq, Korea, (I'm blanking on the last one). The US is far from the only nation in the UN to get around it's approval. Again...the UN don't work. Time to abandon it.

The real problem here is the court of world opinion. We can certainly go to war without the UNs approval, but that will really make us look bad. We are really looking bad right now.

I can't tell if you're uninformed or being decietful. What about Britan's (where Bush has a 53% approval rating) 45,000 troops? Austrailia's 4,000? Poland's (POLAND!) 200? Even ALBANIA for frick's sake has offered 70, and Romania 278 non-coms. No, the whole world doesn't love us. They never have. But at this point thirty nations have expressed support. Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan (yeah, the home of Anime supports this war), Korea (Presumeably South), Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan. Powell says they've got another 15 who don't want to be named publically, possibly because Chirac will tell them to sit down and shut up too. I'm not claiming it's universal. But it's not nearly as black as you're painting it.

Everyone please take note of this:

You do not have to be pro-Bush to approve of this war.

You can hate everything about him, not like the reasons we've been given, and still approve of deposing the sadistic butcher in Iraq. Don't believe me? The best argument I've seen thus far is here:http://www.bruner.net/blog/2003_03_16_b ... l#90816396 (Scroll down to "Let's have a war already") and it's by someone who hates Bush's guts. Seriously, it's a reasoned response to all the anti-war arguments I've encountered. If you've got an open mind, go read it.

4) Pretend you're just a citizen of Iraq. I mean it.

OK
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... ory=388576
http://www.tomatwestbrom.com/welcome.asp
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 07,00.html

Pretend you are just a normal person in Iraq. A chunk of your country is suddenly cut off and suddenly it's another country and you have no say. (It is my understanding... and I may be wrong... that Kuwait was broken off Iraq shortly after WWII).

Um...wrong. Kuwait pulled away from the Ottaman empire with the assistance of the British in 1913. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kuwait Declared independance from Britan in 1960..something.

If you were just a citizen of Iraq... who would seem the biggest source of terror to you?

O_O

You're joking right?

America has set up a number of "friendly dictators" which resulted in the deaths of anywhere from 5,000 to 20,000 people (depending on the country). In the past 40 years we have brought a lot of misery to a lot of countries, mostly because of our own arrogance and often our own ignorance.

Oh my god! You're right! And, as punishment, we should leave them all to suffer under these despots. You stopped making sense a few points ago...

Saddam is a horrible man and should be removed from power in Iraq.
Osama bin Laden is a maniac and he and his followers should be taken out

but America is taking the wrong path to do it and the current administration is just tarnishing America's image.

THEN HOW? NOTHING ELSE WORKED. Personally, it may be the nerd in me, but I don't care about image. The people who matter judge on result. Everyone agrees with the result here.

The only people who will benefit from war are the people in the military-industrial complex who are going to get billions of taxpayer dollars and they will be able to buy bigger and better homes for themselves while young American soldiers are killed in a meaningless war.

But you just said how terrible Saddam's regime was! You said he should be removed! Then Iraq will benefit! You're contradicting yourself!

MCWagner · Post by **MCWagner** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:54 pm

Oh, and Oni? Do you HAVE to be so belligerant? Your hurting your own argument more than you're helping it...

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:04 am

Oh blah blah blah blah blah. Don't you people have anything else to talk about? This argument is a no win situation. It has fairly even justifications, so noones going to come out on top. If you're that bored why dont you go....count you're pubic hairs or see how far up your c*** you can stick a big ass cucumber? Jeez!

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:12 am

SS5_Majin_Bebi wrote:Don't you people have anything else to talk about?

If we do then it will be in another thread. Just read somewhere else if you're getting tired of this.

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:16 am

I could always do that. Its just that the argument stagnated before, and its non productive now.

BTW corran, love your Shinobu avatar. Shinobu=cute.