Bush's anouncement

[El Banana]

ROTFL.
Oh man...
Heh, I hope enough people here can also laugh at themselves.

[Nightowl]

I heard some people talking at the table next to mine :

"We'll attack the americans after they've finished with Irak

-We should kill all americans

-An american is not even a human-being"

Willow, that's awful that you had to witness that, then be forced to take part in such bigotry... I'm sorry... Coke IS good, damnit!

This is the most depressing thing I've heard all day. It's just wrong on so many levels... I just wonder how many people in the world who are for a so-called peace movement think this way... it reminds me of the time I saw a peace rally at my old college. This guy came up and said "What's with you you fuckin hippies we need to kill them all." And the leader guy of the peace rally? His retort? "Shut the fuck up, man, or we'll kick your fuckin ass!"

What a world we live in...

I think what's most depressing about this is that an entire country is being lumped into one human being entity type thing. I don't want to be thought of as evil American charicature because of where I live... I want to be thought of me... an individual... we are a world of individuals led by individuals who make mistakes... I know, I know, wishful thinking, never gonna happen. What a great world we live in.

Christ, I'm depressed now. I'm going back to sleep.

-N

[kthulhu]

I heard some people talking at the table next to mine :

"We'll attack the americans after they've finished with Irak

-We should kill all americans

-An american is not even a human-being"


(these persons were about 40-50 year old)

Then they insulted me because I was drinking a glass of Coca-Cola

1. Does France (or the European continent as a whole) have any native soft drinks that aren't carbonated juice? That's all I ever see at my local import store .

2. It was probably unpleasant for you to hear, but I found that damn hilarious. Those old biddies think that the French military will cross thousands of miles of ocean and pull a reverse D-Day on us, and then massacre a population larger than they are, a population that has a military far stronger than the Nazi war machine in WWII, and a heavily armed civilian populace (shotguns, pistols, rifles, not too mention the people who have semi and full auto versions of popular military weapons).

So I say chalk it up to old age killing their mind.

[jonmartensen]

OMG...

Then they insulted me because I was drinking a glass of Coca-Cola

That's just because Coca-Cola sucks

Viva la Dr Pepper

[Cain T. Longshot]

Mmmm....Dr.Pepper.....*Insert Homer drool here*

[Mroni]

this video was made in 2001 (I can't remember why, but there was something bush had done bad once again...)

It's quite funny when you're not american

Is it really? I wonder how funny it is to the french who were alive when the us liberated them in 1944. I don't beleive that the french people really hate us they have just been lied to by their goverment which has hated us since the end of world war 2 go figure.

Mr Oni

[EarthCurrent]

The Gulf War was perhaps the first war were the environmental consequences of war were takken into account, and heavily studied. I have read some arguments made by peace activists that the only reason that push demanded that Iraqi troops not intentionally damge oil wells in southern Iraq was so that "precious" oil isn't destroyed. However, it seems that those who argue this have forgotten the environmental fallout that was the result of such iraq's anti-environmental tactics in the 1991 Gulf War.

The Gulf's ecosystem was not spared in the least during the Gulf War. 613 oil wells were set ablave to cover the Iraqi retreat from Kuwait. In the nine months it took to extinguish all these blazes, more than 1 billion barrels of oil went up in flames, 60 million barrels of oil released and the smoke and soot contaminated 953 km2 of desert. Freshwater aquifers, one which provides 40% of Kuwait's potable water were contaminated. An estimated 11 million barrels of oil were intentionally released to the Arabian Gulf from January 1991 to May 1991. This is more than twenty times larger than the Exxon Valdez spill and twice as large as the previous world record. More than 800 miles of Kuwait and Saudi Arabian beaches were oiled and marine wildlife was devastated. As is typical with any oil spill, birds were the hardest hit of any group of organisms and thousands lost their lives. Along with the migratory birds, marine turtles were also in danger.



The above image was recently taken by NOAA clearly showing the black plumes of smoke indicative of burning oil. These fires will continue to burn until properly trained teams can safely move into the region and extinguish them. Note that these plumes are moving directly toward the delta and estuary region of the Tigrus and Euphrates.

However, the burning and release of oil into the environment were not the only environmental impacts associated with the Gulf War.

I direct you to this rather <a href="http://www.gulfweb.org/doc_show.cfm?ID=180" target=_blank>informative report</a> which details some of the other environment costs of war in the Gulf.

[buddykiller]

this video was made in 2001 (I can't remember why, but there was something bush had done bad once again...)

It's quite funny when you're not american

Is it really? I wonder how funny it is to the french who were alive when the us liberated them in 1944. I don't beleive that the french people really hate us they have just been lied to by their goverment which has hated us since the end of world war 2 go figure.

Mr Oni

god your such a dick o_O

[Wufei]

Lets get this straight dammit Saddam does not have nuclear weapons he is desperatley trying to develop them or buy them just like all those nutty al queda morons. What he does have is chemicals.


Mr Oni

the funny thing is you think chemical warfare is something little. have you ever read or seen the effects of chemical warfare? is it as bad as nuclear? not to such a grand scale but still bad enough. the funny thing is, the way people talk about saddam like no matter what he'll lose, well i guess the sooner he realizes that, there won't be any need to hold back will there? if i were him, i'd just launch all i have in every damn direction, as soon as you corner somebody it only takes them so much time to realize they may as well take out as many people as possible before their time is up.

I agree with MrOni here, Saddam has had this coming for ages, I can't wait till they shoot a big ol bomb up his ass. And after we take him out we oughta go after those french bastards just cause they are so damn stupid and stuck up.

ah yes because that way after we're done blowing holes in the dirt we can go and throw ourselves into another depression. if we were to attack france do you really think every other nation is just going to think well they had it coming? so what if they don't support this war, what about our isolationism during ww2? all of europe was in danger but we decided to sit back and say it wasn't our place, and we're supposed to expect them to help at the drop of a hat?

Anyone who supports this war is a fucking idiot. Doesn't anyone understand that THIS COULD BE IT? This could be THE BIG ONE, The war to end all wars, not to mention all life on this PLANET? Doesn't anyone care?? All you people who think war is a good thing: Fuck the lot of you. Fuck you all. You are all no better than Adolf Hitler, you sadistic motherfuckers. I don't care WHO this pisses off, because I have a RIGHT to stand up for my beliefs. If you love war that much, join the motherfucking defense force and get SHOT, so we dont have to listen to your sadistic garbage anymore.

You know, I grieve at the fact that it has come to this yet again. Not a century can go by where someone doesn't attack someone else in the name of peace. I guess my constant rants about not having a stable, enjoyable, and fear-free life don't go unmotivated, do they.

well if this could be the big one i guess there's no point worrying. either it isn't and we'll continue our repetitive existence or as you say it may be the "big one" in which case maybe everyone will die. not much you can do to stop it one way or another so just accept it if it does come. as for the fear free life, that is your own problem, you choose to live a life of fear just as i choose to not care. do i love war? not particularly, but i don't hate it either. sometimes wars are just the way humans can express themselves, after all humans are the most violent animals on the world.

Boy you sure are an open minded person aren't you? Anyway I stated what I beleive is a perfectly reasonable reason to go to war. Now please tell me how can this be "The big one" Saddam does not have nukes!!! No intelligence agency says he has nukes. He is trying to develeop them! He has no missles that can hit us. He can barely hit isreal that is where all his stuff is aimed. One of the things we are stopping here is his missle delivery technology. He desepreratley would like to be able to hit us. Lets go farther North korea has said they may have a nuke but there is no evidence to back up that claim. They like Iraq for some insane reason are spending their money trying to develeop them. Heres what it all comes down to I don't understand how anybody can be against this war! Unless you are total pacifist who is agaisnt all wars. Because this war is definitley just.


Mr Oni

the big one does not necessarily mean nuclear holocust my friend. the big one is a term that could mean that it would simply plunge us all into something similar to the depression of the last world war. as for intelligence, do you really have so much blind loyalty to the states to think that we are so intelligent and ahead of all other countries? do you really believe if they did have nuclear weapons that the government would tell us about it? do you really think that the intelligence being fed to america can't be bought by our very own enemies? just? who are you to say this or any other war is just? perhaps wars of the past had purpose to them but this is by far one in that category. we tell them they must get rid of weapons or else we will use our own weapons to make them. that is being hypocritical. it is to a lesser degree of telling the world to disband all weapons and saying but we can keep ours simply because we are who we are. maybe to some it is just so i apologize for snapping at you earlier after all it is your belief on the subject. but i don't know how it is myself.

If there is a war, it won't last more than a month or two. Iraq is no match for the empire.
Anyone who thinks that nuclear weapons should even be considered in this conflict should really look things over one more time. Iraq does not have nuclear weapons. They want them, but they don't have them. If a nuke is fired during this conflict it will be fired by the U.S. and they will only use it if they see they're losing....again. This will bring with it a whole new world of shit, but what can anyone really do about it? The U.N. was put in its place. The world knows who really runs the show. It's all a matter of time really.
But for those of you who can't get over this "IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!" fetish, how about you go out and have a good time. It would be a shame if you lived your last days posting on a discussion forum with a bunch of strangers.

if we look back in history i wonder just how many wars were spoke of in the same manner. no war was meant to last as long as they did yet they had. why? underestimating our opponents. no match for the empire? what empire? do we so easily forget the vietnam war which we lost? so behind us technologically and in manpower yet they held firm. what about the korean war, we may not have lost but we certainly didn't win. and just what is winning? unless there is a war where there are no casualties, all war is a loss. especially for the families of the ones whose lives were sacrificed for the blood thirsty politicians. the world knows who runs the show? indeed, what do we run? we run a country with the highest bloody crime rate in the world. we run a country with the most pollution, least education, and most arrogance. we run the worlds largest zoo. no country rules especially over others, each has there own place. i don't particularly think the world will end but if it does who cares. at least there won't need to be any more worry about the subject.

This is like if you saw a teenage boy building pipe bombs in his garage. You haven't seen him use them. But is it not your responsibility to report him BEFORE they get used?

The problem with this argument is that when the teenage boy is reported, that's all that has happened. The cops MIGHT come, but there is nothing they can do, as he's doing it on his own property. As long as he doesn't hurt others, it's perfectly legal. It is our responsibility to report, but it isn't our responsibility to kill the child before he uses them. That would be illegal, no matter his intent. Innocent until proven guilty, and there is no proof. You would never know whether or not he was going to actually use the pipe bombs - and in a court of law, you would go to jail for acting against him.

-N

what you don't realize is that if there is threat whether the boy is making EXPLOSIVES on his property or not, the police will respond. because under any situation making homemade explosives is against the law. there is no jury or judge who would not find the boy guilty because if he has the materials what the hell else is he going to use with it? this and the fact that i think you put entirely too much in our system of justice. the laws are easily bent and broken as people see fit. a statistic i saw is that every 3 out of 5 people found guilty have actually been guilty. if that's not a sign of how off our system is i don't know what is. so you tell me, what exactly is anybody who makes a pipebomb going to do with it? it is a bomb after all, i doubt he's going to just place it on his mantle and admire it day after day. that's right he'll probably blow something up, and no matter where you do that, it's illegal.

mr.bush

I have to make a point of this, because it's a matter of respect. No matter what you think of the guy, you really shouldn't call him "Mr. Bush" (especially since oyu didn't use caps) because he is the president. Likewise, he shouldn't simply be called "Bush" either, since that's equally wrong. I think we all need to take a chill pill and give the guy at least the TITLE he rightly earned! His name is George Bush, or President Bush, the same way that you should refer to those with PHDs as Doctor ****.
[/stupid rant]

ha. respect. no it does matter what you think of the guy if it is a matter of respect, because the fact of the matter is he hasn't earned any respect in my eyes. and he certainly didn't earned the title either. i place respect where i believe it is deserved not where others say it is earned.

WWWIII??!! What the hell. Ok, anyone saying this gonna turn into that is a complete fucking moron. For this to turn into a world war, Iraq would need a little thing called ALLIES! Didnt any of you study up on what caused the 1st world war, that whole entangled alliances thing. Iraq doesnt really have many friends in the middle east. I think its been war atleast once with each of its neiboors.

Oh and for those calling for isolationism, sorry, the US tried that twice already last century and it didnt work out to well. It would be nice if the world was perfect and everyone played by the rules, then maybe that might work, but thats never gonna happen.

and what makes you so sure they don't have any alliances? if the fact that they were enemies with neighbors is your only reason, it isn't a good one. ww1 japan fought with us agains germany, but then ww2 and they fight against us with germany. do i need to stress this point any more? as for isolationism, i agree with you. it is a stupid thing to believe in.

I wish Bush would just grab a drink with the rest of the world leaders and chill out like i do. 8)

if only cain, if only. or at the very least just let the politicians put some gloves on and have a boxing match to vent their frustrations.

Tell me, Mroni, why the fuck should I be open minded about this. NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES OF WAR!! If it did, then it would've happened once, and only once. The planet doesn't deserve the abuse we give it, why do you think theres been an upsurgance of deadly diseases? ITS TRYING TO GET RID OF US!! Noone on this earth ever really learns from their mistakes, and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. For an enlightened species we certainly love killing, maiming and harming others don't we?

Cain T Longshot: Champion for thinking the same way I do.

to say nothing ever comes of war would be to question the very existence of everything and everyone you hold dear today. things in the past should be forgotten, there is no evidence things would've become any better if you changed anything in the past so there's no point in arguing about it. ah, you mostly brought about my all time favorite belief. all humanity is crap. we are the greatest plague that this planet has ever seen and if it were up to me i would wipe out human existance once and for all. and if you tell me what about my friends and family, to hell with them, though they themselves may not have directly contributed to the downfall of earth, i will not be biased and say spare them, we all deserve to live as much as trees deserve to die.

So it's the fault of the oppressed victom that someone is opressing him?

--Tony

it may not be his fault he is being opressed but it is his own fault for being to much of a coward to not stand up for himself. remember the great quote better to die standing than living on your knees. the opressed have noone to blame but themselves.

The UNITED STATES came of WAR. Thousands of people died, but something good came from it. War faught to overcome tyrany and injustice in any form brings forth inherent good.

Saying statements like what you said above means the the men and women of our armed services have DIED FOR NOTHING. They give their lives for you and for your freedom and you say it is in vain.

--Tony

yes war was faught to overcome tyranny and injustice, but in the end if you think about it, it was simply another way for amercia to try to force their belief system on others. so what if hitler believed jews and gays and gypsies were inferior. do i agree hell no, and if i had the choice i'd chop his testicle off myself. however we were simply trying to force our beliefs onto those who tried to do the same to others. perhaps the men and women who fought didn't die for nothing, but i'm sure if they knew then what they may in the eternity they have now they may have made a different decision.

Tell me, Mroni, why the fuck should I be open minded about this. NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES OF WAR!!

Then why should anyone be open minded about your opinions? You must first understand others before you can fully express your point of view. And until one is able to express their point of view in a calm and sensible form, it is not worth attempting to state anything.

this is of course a good point. one should always be open minded to others opinions, and not let one's emotions stand in their way of talking about things in a civil manner. once you lose your control of your emotions you lose your ability to argue sensibly. very well put sir.

what i am saying is when did igod give them the power to chose who lives and who dies. i mean they go and kill people with out even knowing them. its like going up to a great dude in the streets and stabbing him in the back. no not like it. THATS WHAT IT IS> they proboly dont even know what the people they are killing did.

Ut Oh.... you said the G word.

The soldiers on the other side of the war are in the exact same scenario. None of the people fighting the war have anything to do with what caused the war. It's kinda sad.

God passing the right to smite others? It's in the bible. God is known for that all up and down the bible. David and Goliath for instance. I don't think he spoke to David directly, but he did empower him to kick Goliath's ass.

God also does some pretty strange things according to the bible... take a look at the egyption plagues. He wants Pharroh to free the people of Israel, yet he influences Pharroh's decision to make him not free the people of Isreal so he can inflict more wrath upon them.

I'm sorry, but God himself isn't just in his actions based on the what I have read. Hell, who gives God the right to say who lives and who dies?

(I mean, yeah, he's God and all... assuming he exists... but that doesn't give him a right to mistreat people and play life and death with them.)

--Tony

ah, i was wondering when god would find his/her way into a conversation about war. the funny thing about god is, that as it is said if he stands with us who would dare stand against us, i mean unless of course god likes to stand on all sides because he loves to watch human kind squirm. i know i would. afterall if we were all created in god's image or what have you, than that means we get our thirst for destruction directly from him, our blood lies on his hands as well.

That is probably what made us so smart in the first place.

Eh? Smart? Hmm... not so sure about that one, Misty. Smarter, sure, but not smart.

that is the word isn't it flint? smarter not smart. if we were so smart we would be able to find a way to coexist with one another under the simple fact that we are all humans tossed on this mudball together so we should all just stick together and stop bitching at one another about stupid things.

G bush is mad. I still don't understand why he's America's president.

When WWII or WWI ended in Europe, what people wanted was that THIS WAS the last war ever (which wsn't the cas, but...)
When the USA were attacked on 9/11, Bush's only feeling was to take revenge --> this makes me sick.

Being powerful doesn't give you the rights to become "world's cops"...there are laws that Saddam Hussein broke...lol, Bush is breaking the laws by begenning a war without UN's authorization...

So what ? Innocents are goona die, just for OIL...
Beee, I'm really sick.

he's president because our electoral process is a joke. and well human nature is to take revenge, because you know what revenge is synonomous for? justice. how would you feel if people started ramming airplanes into all of your monuments and you can't say you wouldn't care because it hasn't happened 'yet'. anything you say you would feel would merely be speculation. now there it is, quite unfortunately on the contrary, my french friend. the fact of the matter is, the strong control the weak. that is the way it has been and that is the way it will continue, no avoiding it. innocents dieing for oil? who cares they've died for less.

and to think these are only quotes i found interesting from the first seven or so pages. i would go through all of them but then think how long this might be. besides i think mostly everything's been said plus i think it was dying since i saw something about dolphins and opposable thumbs or something. anyways, Sayonara.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

wow! how long did you spend on that!!! Did you like, have to take the weekend off or something, man? I know I wouldve!! Kudos for a long AND coherent post, you deserve a gold star!

*gives wufei a gold star*