Presidential Elections 2004

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:46 pm

bad andy.

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:03 pm

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:23 pm

NME wrote:Its gonna be decided the way the last one was, unfairly.
A man was elected that no one wanted elected. Done.

Well, maybe if thats how most people will feel they'll start paying to the popular elections that matter, like senate and house seats.

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:32 pm

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:05 pm

What's teh thing in the middle?

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:25 pm

I dunno, maybe an explosion, maybe

YOUR FACE.

I KILL ME. LOLO<FAMFOAL

Alucard_FoN · Post by **Alucard_FoN** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:27 pm

If they haven't found the WMD by now, they aren't going to. Iraq is not a large country. There are only so many places to hide big fucking missles and such things in a country that size. They won't find anything because there is nothing to find.

As far as who I'll vote for, I'm voting third party. I don't know which one yet, depends on the candidates. I will not vote republican or democrat though. Same goes for when I'm voting for senators and house representatives. Not to mention local and state government.

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:29 am

sixstop wrote:
As far as the millitant attacks. a squad of Iraqis may be organised and attack, and while the death of an American/british serving is horrible; the average kill ratio has been about 70:1 since the major invasion concluded and 'occuptation' began. so for that one soldier that died, 70 iraqi men were wiped out.

I quess you count those people who are detained after attacks as casualties too. As of prisoners, some are released, some are held (and tie up troops). According to interview with Rumsfeld, he identied that there are five group of people doing these attacks. Now, let's assume there are 350 000 people in total attacking you, that's still 5000 bodybags for you.

So far it's been one Gi there, another there, but as anyone with some knowledge can tell, a single succesful ambush that wipes out a patrol (like Chezhens do all the time) of Gis, will of course improve the ratio considerably. This is bound to happen sooner or later, especially if more trained military personnel join these groups. This is very likely since they have not received their payments, despite promises.

btw, isn't it strange that Rumsfeld is suddenly pretty keen to get UN aid & even peacekeepers? Now, why should they help US out of this mess?

This of course has nothing to do with elections. Sorry....

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:02 am

Simpi wrote:btw, isn't it strange that Rumsfeld is suddenly pretty keen to get UN aid & even peacekeepers? Now, why should they help US out of this mess?

Because, if they don't, it just shows the UN to be a petty organization, more concerned with politics than doing the "good for humanity" that's supposed to be one of their ideals or whatnot. Does it suck that the US went in to Iraq for no real reason (no major WMD finds yet, and I don't recall Iraqi liberation being high on the agenda during the selling of this war)? Most certainly. Does the fact that the US did it without UN approval (like any country needs that to wage war) make it OK for the UN to not help out with humanitarian aid? I'd say, no.

Invading Iraq was bad in many respects - witholding aid, though, because the UN feels out out, would just be cold blooded.

As for peacekeepers, god only knows that the US (and other countries) have plenty of them in Kosovo - a battle which should've been handled by the EU, in my opinion, and perhaps should not have been even fought at all. Putting some in Iraq isn't going to hurt the UN's already shaky grasp on conflict containment.

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:26 pm

Alucard_FoN wrote:If they haven't found the WMD by now, they aren't going to. Iraq is not a large country. There are only so many places to hide big fucking missles and such things in a country that size. They won't find anything because there is nothing to find.

so. . .you think they should find something in a state the size of texas within about 2~3 months?

boy, you must know something the rest of us dont. . .