And you thought End of Evangelion was confusing!

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:47 pm

Jebadia wrote:haha..indeed the bootcamp scene in Full Metal Jacket was comedy gold, and damn right twisted at the end of bootcamp...

Now lets all sing the Mickey Mouse song!

M.I.C.K.E.Y M.O.U.S.E MICKEY MOUSE, MICKEY MOUSE

Hotta_Bushi · Post by **Hotta_Bushi** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:35 am

Funny yes, but it hits a little close to home if you've gone through it.

In fact, my DIs used some of the same lines...
It's funny to watch, but try living through it.

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:03 am

DTJB wrote: Man, I keep forgetting about that one, very good movie. I didn't really understand it the first time I saw it, I probably wasn't paying a lot of attention when I did, but I need to watch it from start to finish sometime. By the way, was that an 8 women to 1 man ratio they said at the end of the movie, I forgot.

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!

I think that quote sums it up pretty nicely. Now I have to run and maintain the purity of my precious bodily fluids or something like that...

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:26 am

DTJB wrote: Careful with 2001 though, it hardly makes any sense at all.

That's actually one of the wonders of it. Everyone can form their own point of view about it (Especially the end), though i'm sure Kubrick had some masterplan what he meant with the whole thing.

I recommend that you watch 'Koyaanisqatsi' trilogy by Godfrey Reggio. It really forces the viewer to create his own vision/message about the whole thing. Some people don't like, but I consider that trilogy as one most breathtaking products in the history of cinema.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:15 pm

DTJB wrote:I'm starting to question Kubrick as a "great visionary". After watching A Clockwork Orange, I kinda had similar feelings. It was a pretty decent story, but I just felt that the ending of that one could have been a little better.

Actually just as JonMartensen said about 2001, the same could be said about "A Clockwork Orange." Kubrick cut the last chapter of the book out in the movie and the ending is significantly different and more meaningful in my opinion.

Evil Urchin · Post by **Evil Urchin** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:26 pm

Well, I happen to think Kubrick was one of the greatest directors the world has seen, excluding Eyes Wide Shut, but then again he did die halfway through that. I'm surprised no one has even mentioned Paths of Glory yet, since it greatly surpassed Full Metal Jacketas a war film in my opinion.

Oh, and to Nemoxs, Micheal Moore may have implied we've got lots of gun loving hicks, but you're really not getting his point on this. If you look at his segment on Canada, he demonstrates that they are all gun toting hicks as well, just they don't go around murdering people very often. And as for your black market dealers thing, that's just stupid. The whole point of him getting handgun bullets banned from K-Marts was so that it wouldn't get into the hands of people who would be inclined to shoot up a school or to quite as easily.

In conclusion, he never said that the US is as violent as it is because we are all "gun loving hicks" or whatever. Actually, he never says what the reason is at all. His point in making the film was to try to figure out why we're like that, but there was no clear answer, so instead he put up what he did as something to reflect on and come up with our own conclusions on. Thanks for your time.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:49 pm

Let's not let this degenerate into a discussion on the validity/fictitiousness of Bowling for Columbine. So there were a few staged scenes and rather liberal editing, that's not what this thread is about.

Keep it on Kubrick, please.

Personally, 2001 has jaded me to his work. I'm willing to give him another shot (more than likely Full Metal Jacket), but it better be damn good.

Evil Urchin · Post by **Evil Urchin** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:12 pm

Full Metal Jacket is good, but as I said, if you can find Paths of Glory, I suggest that one. Both of those films are among Kubrick's more "normal" films, along with Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, Barry Lyndon, The Shining, and Spartacus, in that they are fairly simple to understand but are still crafted with brilliance. So, if you're jaded towards his more symbolic stuff, go with one of those.

Hotta_Bushi · Post by **Hotta_Bushi** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:37 pm

He did Spartacus? Wow. Didn't know that. I'll have to go find that one now and watch it.

BrahRizor · Post by **BrahRizor** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:22 pm

Toecutter wrote:

If you read the book of 2001, it all makes sense.

First of all this is the most important thing for the movie, Kubrick more took that the viewers of 2001 would know what was intended, for example, the star child is not david bowman, the story is rather haphazardly thrown together, I would best compare it to Cinematics in Final Fantasy games, very breathtaking to see, but not very meaningful unless you know the backstory to them.

Also thats great to see people having seen the original 'Solaris' and 'Koyaanisqatsi'

Hmmm, what else can I go off onto, Oh yeah, If anyone thinks that 2001 was 'butchered' by Kubrick versus the book, read 2010 and read THAT book, half of the story was lost, ex: the landing on Europa.

AnimeMusicVideos.org

And you thought End of Evangelion was confusing!

4

Re: And you thought End of Evangelion was confusing!