Bush's anouncement

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:08 pm

Mroni wrote:Wufei-How can you compare the life of an Iraqui to that of an american. It dosen't make sense to me if they die for Saddam fuck them I hope they all burn in massive oil hellfires.

Right now the mass amount of Iraqui civilian casualties are from the bombing raids, and bombs do NOT destiguish between those who are loyal to Saddam and those who aren't.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:10 pm

Mroni wrote:Ok Ok Ok hold up here. Ok half the crap I am typing is done because I am angry that people just won't stop with this anti war bullshit. Me personally I cannot find a reason to be against this war if you can more power to you. I am not by far the smartest person on this board I cannot make an amv for example. However that does not mean I have to listen to stupid rants that have no facts to back them up. Now remember I just stated this and I will state it again if I am wrong and all this war is about is oil and saddam had no weapons development going on and the end of the world comes etc then I will personally apologize to everybody except for Milo. As far as france goes its of course absurdity get a clue jesus. Earth current I looked it up and all he said was that he admitted vietnam was a mistake in his book sorry I heard wrong. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT People please get clues. It might be hip to be anti war . I don't know why but it might be. I hate things that are hip. If you must know that whole bunch of fake patriotism after september 11 made me sick to my stomache.

Mr Oni

^_^ ...heh...

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:39 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:Not to jump in on your both of your ranting, but the life of any innocent human is worth the same as another. None of them chose the country they live in and have to profess their loyalty to avoid a crap load of problems. Any one of their lives is as worth as much as mine or yours. You can hardly blame them for trying to not be arrested and tortured for treason.....though that is something many americans have recently started to endorse Hardly right freedom.

I am not talking about the government over there. In my opinion also, you forfeit your own right to life when you take someone else's. Touchy subject though.

Misty my loyalty is to my home. How can I put this or maybe I am misunderstaning you. I don't recall being loyal to avoid a bunch of problems. I am sure in Iraq that may be a different case. We are not the bad guys here the Iraqis are. I don't believe in what some people call the sanctity of human life. I am not a religous person. I beleive that ends justify the means in most cases. I do not believe soliders should be held accountable for following orders If an Iraqi solider is told to shoot and kill with a gun to his back I dont blame him. But I would rather he die than an american. I don't think the term murder applies to killing in military situations.

Mr Oni

Wufei · Post by **Wufei** » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:48 pm

Mroni wrote:Ok Ok Ok hold up here. Ok half the crap I am typing is done because I am angry that people just won't stop with this anti war bullshit. Me personally I cannot find a reason to be against this war if you can more power to you. I am not by far the smartest person on this board I cannot make an amv for example. However that does not mean I have to listen to stupid rants that have no facts to back them up. Now remember I just stated this and I will state it again if I am wrong and all this war is about is oil and saddam had no weapons development going on and the end of the world comes etc then I will personally apologize to everybody except for Milo. As far as france goes its of course absurdity get a clue jesus. Earth current I looked it up and all he said was that he admitted vietnam was a mistake in his book sorry I heard wrong. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT People please get clues. It might be hip to be anti war . I don't know why but it might be. I hate things that are hip. If you must know that whole bunch of fake patriotism after september 11 made me sick to my stomache.

Mr Oni

and i can understand some of your points, and in all actuality i'm not even anti-war. at least not totally. ummm...i don't see what amv's have to do with your intelligence. you sound intelligent enough to argue your points and that's all that is really required. you're right you don't have to listen to any rants but i mean why are you getting so angry? i don't think anybody here is so adamant about their opinions where they basically say no you're wrong, there is no way you're right, and i refuse to even allow a second opinion. i mean i hope you don't think i've been trying to pick a fight with you or even make you say that i'm right. i know i may not be, but i only want to argue the different points for each situation and keep everybody open.

i won't comment on the hip thing, since well, i didn't really understand why somebody would have a belief because it's hip. but as for 9/11 patriotism. yeah that made me sick as well. all those damn people and capitalizing off a tragedy. it's like before nobody cared. but as soon as it happened i saw all these commercials for buying american flags and stuff i couldn't believe it. almost made me ashamed.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:04 am

Well when the war ends I an 90% sure they will say they found weapons. Whether the weapons are real or they U.S. just says they found weapons I don't know.

HungryCrackPot · Post by **HungryCrackPot** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:26 am

And what weapons would that be? A six shot revolver? Snake milk in a can? Fucking cow-panda. Fuck a burgundy coat, laxatize whore.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:27 am

Including the missles Iraq launched at Kuwait the other day?

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_pag ... 77,00.html

And this is good to see
The Iraqi's are fed up with everything, and just want this to be over so that they can rebuild in peace, and walk around freely without fear (of an oppressor, or war)

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 3:50 am

Mroni wrote: Dude your the one that showed that anti american propaganda clip it was not funny in the least bit.

Ok, sorry about that. I didn't want to offense anyone. As I said earlier, this is not an anti-american video, but an anti-Bush video. And if you still feel insulted, please be sure that this was only meant to be funny when this was made. This show with puppets is very famous in France, and they Criticize everything, starting with our own government...ok, I'll try to find some funny videos with Jacques Chirac soon

Mroni wrote: And if you look at my post I did not use the word I. As for an american I pay taxes therefore I am a we. Saying this war is about Oil is retarded I just want one shred of proof. so please stop using generalisations.

I do actually hate Oil...Do you know a company named "Total Fina Elf" ? They still have to pay for their f#### oil tanker that crashed on the coasts of my homeland, Brittany.

Mroni wrote: As far as diplomacy didn't we give this man enough freakin time to straighten since the end of the Gulf war???? Did he help his people any know. He buit himself a shitload of palaces he rebuilt his military. He spent money developing insane weapons for no good reason. His people still live off food we send him. It's insane.

Once again I'll answer that I'm not good at politics. All that you say about SH seems to be true here, and this war is not only a war for oil. But I'm still sure that there was anoher way and that innocent are going to die... that's what makes me sick.

I'm not against war, but against violence (is that "hip" ?). And war won't end violence in the world

Mroni wrote: I am glad you at least listened to bushes speech and are willing to give him a chance.
Mr Oni

Yep. I'll be very impressed by GWB and the whole USA if your government helps to rebuild Irak after the war.

Ependa · Post by **Ependa** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:56 am

[quote="MrOni"]No the french need to read about lafayette. And remember about how we are their freinds not thier enemies. One of the sickest things I have ever heard is that the biggest name on germanys surrender agreement is the french general as if he had something to do with it.[quote]

To clarify some points, Mr oni, I don't know where and how you heard that french people are anti-american or something like that, and don't like american people.

WilLoW explicitly told you it several times... Moreover, isn't that you who said that France is the real ennemy??

Of course there are some anti-american people in France, as there are anti-french or even anti-american ones in the US.

Our government disagreed with a violent way (ie war) to solve the situation in Iraq. There are several reasons and not all are viable ones (oil companies getting oil from Iraq, weapons sold to Iraqi army several years ago, Chirac on the list for being peace nobel...).

But contrary to what it seems was done in the US or in the UK, french government even if it has also other reasons, followed the population regarding its position against the war. There was more than 80% of the french people against war and contrary to our government, people don't care about oil or old relationship betwwen SH and the french government.

Just a last thing, I'm sure a lot of you will find it maybe "stupid" but with the money (several billions $) spent to send the US army in Iraq, Bush could have developed/improved the Social Security cover that more than 50% of the american people are lacking, or save hundreds of thousands of people from dying due to famina in Africa, or this money could have been used to send medecines in those countries... It was just another reason why there are so many people against a war...

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madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sat Mar 22, 2003 1:48 pm

WilLoW :--) wrote: But I'm still sure that there was anoher way and that innocent are going to die... that's what makes me sick.

I'm not against war, but against violence (is that "hip" ?). And war won't end violence in the world

Lets get this straight. Only Fringe violent people or weapon fetishist actually LIKE war. Even most soldiers don't like war.

There is a strong difference between liking, wanting, and supporting war.

NOw then, Bush is in office and he made a judgement call that yes innocent people may die in the conflict, but that the number of those who may die in a 'kicking out' of saddam's regime were fewer than the people who would die if

a: saddam remained in power while diplomacy was given however long it would take to get him disarmed. . .or

b: saddam used weapons or gave them to a terrorist for money.