religon yes or no

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:08 am

Oh yeah, as for the eternal question which religion and every frontal-cortex based being seeks to answer, "why do I/we exist?"
Since my definition for religion is the seeking of the answer, what have I come up with?

Well, I believe we exist for two paradoxical reasons. 1. To exist. 2. To unexist.
To make sense of this, you really need a handle on the Buddhic/Hindu concept of Maya (illusion). That tends to be difficult if you're used to one track western thinking.
In essence, our universe exists such that it is forever existing during the "day" of Brahma (or Manvantara), and un-existing during the "night" (Pralaya). Think Big Bang and Big Crunch, that is, the universe exists in a latent slumber for one eternity. By eternity it is meant that there is no time, as there is nothing existing to measure time, for in essence all is nothing and at the same time all is one.
At the end of this Pralaya, universal slumber, at the dawn of the next Manvantara, the unexisting all projects a thought, the first thought or cause. Through that thought, manifestation begins. Creative processes take effect and form the universe as it is on all planes of differentiation. During the Pralaya, all is ONE, there is no two points, no differentiation. Just eternal one-ness. Thus, manifestation serves the purpose of bringing about the ILLUSION of differentiation. Why? So that existance can be experienced, experience can happen, and learning and progression can exist. This is the first purpose of existance or manifestation; to exist.
However, this universe, this temporary effect of the eternal cause, is not REAL. It is illusion such that it is but a projection, and because it will one day die. It is finite, changeable, not inifnite and unchanging. Eventually the entirity of existance is re-absorbed into the universal womb, the two points which sprung from the one return to it, and differentiation, EXISTANCE as we know it, cease to exist. Another Pralaya.
This brings up the effect of the first purpose, to un-exist. As progression is the concept behind existance, one must eventually come to the understanding that he is living in an illusory world, and must thus break free of it. The two points must realize that they are truly one in the same, and in doing so they are no longer opposing points, but one again as they were, as they will be. This in no way makes existance meaningless, but quite the opposite, as it truly means that we're here to exist and experience as much as possible while we do exist.

That's an incredibly rough overview of a concept that can be seen throughout vedantic philosophy (hindu), gnosticism, buddhism, kabalism, and as well veiled as it is, exoteric christianity and judaism, hell, mostly anything that has sprung from the mind of man, even phenomenal science.

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:17 am

Thats REALLY deep stuff tab.

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:19 am

but as we all know, religion hates us all

Specifically this one.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:27 am

That's what I hate about the west, because go to India and most everyone will know what you're talking about. You should take a look at their 'bible' the Vedas. I like how my dad put it best while looking at my one book of upanisads, ".. I don't like this shit, you actually have to think to understand it."

Christians often times come to the rescue with the bible phrase "to enter into heaven you must first make your mind as a child's" stating that God would not make his divine word hard to understand. I dunno about you, but it'd make more sense to me if God was at least as infinitely complex as the universe itself if not more, than if he was something as plain and blatantly irrational as the man-god of the jews and christians. HELLO HELL MAKES SENSE GOD, DONT PUNISH TO TEACH A LESSON BUT JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT. CAUSE LIKE, YOU CAN DO A LOT IN HINDSIGHT REALLY.

Jim Hawkings21122 · Post by **Jim Hawkings21122** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:31 am

Tab. wrote:That's what I hate about the west, because go to India and most everyone will know what you're talking about. You should take a look at their 'bible' the Vedas. I like how my dad put it best while looking at my one book of upanisads, ".. I don't like this shit, you actually have to think to understand it."

Christians often times come to the rescue with the bible phrase "to enter into heaven you must first make your mind as a child's" stating that God would not make his divine word hard to understand. I dunno about you, but it'd make more sense to me if God was at least as infinitely complex as the universe itself if not more, than if he was something as plain and blatantly irrational as the man-god of the jews and christians. HELLO HELL MAKES SENSE GOD, DONT PUNISH TO TEACH A LESSON BUT JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT. CAUSE LIKE, YOU CAN DO A LOT IN HINDSIGHT REALLY.

It's all true............

madmag9999 · Post by **madmag9999** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:53 am

omg i had no idea this thread would take off so much sorry i havent posted in a while but my sis is visiting

from arizona and i dont have the time to read all this now

.
now back to the discusion

ithaqua · Post by **ithaqua** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:23 am

Well, I skipped a large portion, but from what I read, I have a few comments regarding the homosexuality debate.

First: It's not a choice. I know this for a fact. I didn't choose to be "gay" anymore than other people choose to be "bi" or "straight".
Obviously, if I had the choice I would have gone towards bi for the convenience.

Second: The bible disaffirms homosexuality as a social norm. Well guess what. We don't live in that society.

Third: Harsh condemnation of homosexuality is the reason why we waste our youth in the closet living in fear and shame. This is sick bullshit. The ones who should be ashamed are the ones who enforce the social rules that force any non-straight person to feel like an outsider, and that they need to hide. This is why pride meetings a parades are put together - it's a reaction to being constantly relegated to second-hand status.

Fourth: I like to fuck boys. If you don't like the thought of fucking boys, don't do it. But don't tell me not to do it. Live your own life. I'm fine over here.

And don't fucking compare me to pedophiles. I don't want to have sex with small boys any more than you want to have sex with little girls. What the fuck kind of double standard is that?

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:32 am

For the record, IMO Gay shit has no place in this thread. For me religion isn't about "omfo yur fcking a guy, theref0r, God will pnish yuo", warped just has an obsession with fags. Even if God was some all thinking all knowing moron, to think he would even give two shits about who you fuck is pretty damn sad.
Besides, Jehovah loves the cock. Why else would he be partially derived from phallic worship and also require your foreskin to join his cult?

David was a flaming fag anyway

teh bibel wrote:And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

Not that I like gays. I just hate confusing penis rubbing issues with religion.

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:43 am

Christina Aguilera is next door and I think we should party.

Hard.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:43 am

Eh, but I may as well give the official word up on it.
SPIRITUALLY, sense-gratification is ultimately counterproductive. In other words, if you're having sex with a guy, a girl, a shim, a couch, for the fun of it, you're an idiot. There's a whooole thing on overcoming desires (very much seen in buddhism) in order to realize the higher principles, why celibacy is supposed to be divine (hey way to fuck another thing up christianity) but I'm not gonna go all into it seeing as I'm supposed to be awake in 4 hours. Point is, wacking, sexxing, dick-rubbing, cock sucking, he who is not a slave to the animal desires can throw the first stone. OH JESUS LINE.

From an occult standpoint male and female are distinct aspects and male-male doesn't work out, but I don't really know too much about it, mostly because I don't usually have that problem.
GOODNIGHT HEATHEN SCUM.