religon yes or no

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:46 am

1. It's "scheisse", as I recall.

2. Homosexuality occurs all throughout the animal kingdom. Giraffes, monkeys, apes (especially the species most closely related to us, the bonobo), cephalopods (octopus), and many other species - all have been recorded to engage in same sex encounters.

3. Homosexuality can be triggered by enviromental factors, such as overcrowding, unbalanced gender ratios, things of that nature - it may be nature's way of gently trying to reduce human population.

4. Homosexuality may be caused by hormone problems during pregnancy - there seems to be a high number who have (older, younger? I forget) siblings. Giving birth multiple times may change the hormone levels, and hence the internal hardwiring of the fetus.

5. Besides the "icky, two guys having sex" aspect, what makes homosexuality any worse than heterosexuality?

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:02 am

Tab. wrote:Summary of this thread
Lyrs: stfu, I like gays

Lyrs: Homosexuality is acceptable, the Bible sucks

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:46 am

kthulhu wrote:5. Besides the "icky, two guys having sex" aspect, what makes homosexuality any worse than heterosexuality?

The usual religious answer to this one is "One makes babies, one doesn't"

just thought I'd point that out.

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:07 am

Before I start, I want to thank Tab for sharing with us your unique and intriguing standpoint on all of this.

As a non-denominational believer, I would have to say to MinnieMoose that you aren't doing yourself or the religion you advocate a whole lot of favours with your attitude. Having read this entire thread up to this point, the appearance you have given so far is that of a weak Christian: if you are confident in your religion, then you question it and look for those 'holes'. If you truly do believe, then you can accept that the Bible has flaws, and that the followers of God have made mistakes, and that not everything may be as whatever Church you ascribe to says it is. By questioning, I seek to strengthen my beliefs and come to a better understanding of our world and whatever forces might be outside of it.

Out of curiousity, Minnie, what is your opinion of celibate homosexual relationships? The Bible is a little fuzzy on this issue, but as a very educated denominational Christian friend of mine pointed out, this is the perfect path from her standpoint.

ithaqua, I sympathise with your problems at the hate blindly expressed in this thread at your lifestyle. It's not really called for, or fair, or necessary.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:07 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
kthulhu wrote:5. Besides the "icky, two guys having sex" aspect, what makes homosexuality any worse than heterosexuality?
The usual religious answer to this one is "One makes babies, one doesn't"
just thought I'd point that out.

that is if you neglect infertility, protection, mentstraul cycle, and/or chance.

LightningCountX · Post by **LightningCountX** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:07 am

shouldnt this topic be dead

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:11 am

LightningCountX wrote:shouldnt this topic be dead

if it is, then in a month, they're be another thread like this.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:15 am

We'll kill that one too.

And eat it in our own canoe.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:16 am

Lyrs wrote:that is if you neglect infertility, protection, mentstraul cycle, and/or chance.

Yeah but the argument continues that at least with those there is often a small chance... how many babies are made by depositing semen in anal passages I wouldn't like to guess.

WarpedElements · Post by **WarpedElements** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:11 am

A: Aids didn't start by a freak into beastiality, that's what's called a "Urban Myth" like crocodiles in the sewer, Batman, and Janet Reno

B: The first cases of aids related symtoms started in gay communities, condoms or not, gee, i wonder why something "natural" sprung up a life-threatening disease.

C: The Bible doesn't have flaws, but special folk LOVE to take it outta context in to make themselves feel special that they've "outsmarted" somebody's beliefs

D: I forgot!

E: In a study, the scientific community IN MOST PART agrees that it is a case of environment instead of genetic imbalances. How can something that would prevent life from furthering be deemed "natural"?

F: The bible doesn't cover homosexual relationships because it says that it's wrong, period, so it felt it didn't need to cover it any more. Like when the bible covered incest, they figured people would get the point instead of having to explain that it would result in genetic defects.

G: The bible mentions homosexuality is wrong in multiple parts. So you're saying that the ENTIRE book of God is wrong? Or just those parts? Or what?

H: "I'm kidding. I'm really insane. However, I'll take insane and knowing the truth over sanity and self-delusion any day"