religon yes or no

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:07 pm

Here ya go faukers

you're welcome

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:17 pm

Didn't Easter come from the German fertility goddess Eastre, who rode on a rabbit, and had a festival around the spring (traditionally, a season of life, with the greenery returning after the sterile cold of winter) solstice?

Looks <a href="http://zine.dal.net/previousissues/issu ... .php">that way</a>.

Easter is a pagan celebration. So is Christmas. It's probably heretical, from a Christian purist's perspective, to celebrate either of them.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:24 pm

Mark, apparently easter (and the resurrection) was a bandwagon.

religioustolerance.org wrote: The linkage between the equinox, Pagan celebrations & Easter:
Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the ancient Mediterranean region had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at, or following, the spring equinox. In one religion, Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was said to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25; i.e. at the time of the vernal equinox in the Julian calendar.

Wherever Christian worship of Jesus and Pagan worship of Attis were active in the same geographical area in ancient times, Christians "used to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus on the same date; and pagans and Christians used to quarrel bitterly about which of their gods was the true prototype and which the imitation." Since the worship of Cybele was brought to Rome in 204 BCE, about 250 years before Christianity, it is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the Christians that copied the traditions of the Pagans.

Today, no consensus exists on the linkage between the Attis legend (and the stories associated with many other god-men) and Jesus Christ:

Some religious historians believe that the god-man's death and resurrection legends were first associated with Pagan deities many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans in the Roman Empire.
Ancient Christians had an alternate explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit Pagan deities with many of the same life experiences as Jesus had. Satan and his demons had done this, in advance of the coming of Christ, in order to confuse humanity.
Most modern-day Christians regard the Attis legend as being a Pagan myth of little value. They regard Jesus' death and resurrection account as being an exact description of real events, and unrelated to the earlier Pagan traditions.

Among the Roman Catholic church and Protestant denominations, Easter Sunday falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after MAR-20, the nominal date of the Spring Equinox. Its ancient linkages to sun and moon worship are obvious. Many sources incorrectly state that the starting date of the calculation is the actual day of the Equinox rather than the nominal date of MAR-20. Other sources use an incorrect reference date of MAR-21.

Easter Sunday can fall on any date from March 22 to April 25th. The year-to-year sequence is so complicated that it takes 5.7 million years to repeat. Eastern Orthodox churches sometimes celebrate Easter on the same day as the rest of Christendom. However if that date does not follow Passover, then the Orthodox churches delay their Easter - sometimes by over a month.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:41 pm

MinnieMoose wrote:It wasen't a COMPLETE waste of time, it was humerous. But see, I know for a fact I'm right. But there's some people who would right off religious experiences as hallucinations and that's about it. It's not about what's just written in the bible. It's a factor of a buncha things.

But often religious experiences are hallucinations, and sometime for the better.

And how do you know for a FACT that your right, when your speaking about God. God isn't a proven fact, hense why you can only 'believe' in him. You can believe in Santa Claus can't you? Until you find out he isn't real. Why couldn't a fat man with a long beard fashioned after a 'saint' be no different from a diety that has been followed and 'believed' in for several thousands of years.

If you asked me if I believe in evolution, I'll say no....since evolution is a proven FACT. You can only believe in what your uncertain of, ghost, angels, the boogyman, and leprachauns. If someone asks you how do you know god exists, and you answer 'faith', it only shows you have no answer at all and its about as effective as saying 'because'. Faith is the excuse people use for unanswered ideals. To say you have faith in someone or something is saying you have put your trust upon them. How can you put your trust in someone who you can't even prove exists.

Anywho, you can't dispell actual facts over God. To say we have to follow a set rules which are only present in a book was written ages ago and sense then has been tampered with, it to say that we could follow something a caveman had painted in a cave.

Fact, the oldest texts speaking of Jesus (~50CE) speak merely of his teachings and never mention him as a messiah, god, or anything else remotely prominant.

Indeed. People seem to follow Jesus as if he WAS God, which would be blasphimous in their own religion. The idea that Jesus was god was something that go way out of hand.

Also Marry was not a virgin, she was simply a pregnant woman of a fatherless child. In other words, Jesus was a basterd. Marry would of been killed if it weren't for Joseph, for she could of been stoned to death if he hadn't taken her in.

The story of virgin mothers impregnated by a diety is WAY older than christianity. Hell, Greek mythology spoke of it all the time with Zeus and his antics.

Fact, early christians believed in reincarnation.

Hense why we burry people. The belief in reincarnation is older than christianity and most of the religions before it, most of which are dead now.

But again I will not say that your religion or any religion is false. I'm just trying to say don't dive head first without looking.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:58 pm

I will never say that a religion, in it's entireity, is false. As much as man can corrupt, there are certain underlying, original principles that will exist in religion forever, no matter how much dirt is thrown on the root. I will, however, gladly dispell false precepts, blatant misinterpretations, utterly wrong logic, and the corrupt lies that exist in every mainstream religion (or mainstream anything for that matter).
"There is no religion higher than truth." - Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:27 pm

And I'll take this moment to recommend reading Larry Gonick's "Cartoon History of the Universe" volumes 1, 2 and 3. Very interesting, and deals with everything since the (supposed) birth of the universe, sumerians, Chinese, egyptyans, hebrews, Yeshua-ben-Josef and a myriad of colorful characters.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:21 pm

jonmartensen wrote:
Lyrs wrote:
MinnieMoose wrote:I know for a fact I'm right.
Yeah, you kinda know the person doesn't have a leg to stand on anymore when they say that

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I just noticed this..
that's so fucken hilarious.. because.. well, you tell em warped

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:43 pm

Great news guys! Due to finding out that his conceptions of heaven and hell are totally zoroastrian, Warped has converted! He now believes that Jehovah divinely inspired Zoroaster too! This is incredible! At such a late turnaround, in 500 BC, the Jews finally found the completion to their lost mistaken dogma in Zoroaster! The idea of sheol and the original Jews was absolutely in error BUT! were corrected thanks to the intervention of the babylonian captivity. Thanks Zoro!

Or... they could just be more childish exoteric belief systems intermingling like horny puppies.
The world is so fucken wonderful.
And dogmatics are so fucking blind.
"HELLO SQUARE"
"WHAT CUBE?"

Sierra Lorna · Post by **Sierra Lorna** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:22 pm

I just became a Christian very, very recently, and I just wanted to mention a few things.

It took a few times for me to go to church before I got to know what it was all really about, because there's so much to it. It was extremely confusing for me at first because of that.

But I've gone and I'm so glad I did.

I know that Christians and non-Christians will always disagree on their beliefs, and I can completely understand that because I've been on both sides. I didn't believe in it at all for a long time because I'd never grown up with any religion. My friends were the ones who invited me to go to church, and I went just because I was curious, I guess.

My belief in God made me happy. How can something that makes you feel so completely happy and worthwhile and fulfilled and good be wrong?

In closing:
My belief = religion, yes.

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:28 pm

Minniemoose has a gay brain.

Even if it does exist.