Edited vs. Censored

[buddykiller]

bah as far as i'm concerned, censorship pisses me off and it pisses me off that they butcher anime, music, movies, ect... and even taking one curse word or tit flash, to me, is butchering it because it's a change that wasn't intended to be there by it's creator, but i normaly don't bitch about it, i'm just one more rating point they don't get, i refuse to watch anime, movies, or listen to music (or watch mv's) on tv unless it's on a premium channel where it can be veiwed in it's true form or has no content which would be censored (which is very rare)... in my personal opinion censorship in anyway shape or form is against the bill of rights and is immoral, but as the cold warrior pointed out, as long as there is bullshit idiology in the world (which includes both religion and most parents) than censorship will exist... but until everybody who's bitching gets off their lazy ass and does something (even a simple boycott would help) nothing is going to be done about it... me personaly when i become a parent (which may be soon ) will encourage my children to say fuck socioty and do things their way and not because some guy that died 2000 years ago says its the right thing...

[FirestormXIII]

I guess I merely meant to point out that, true, there are SOME animes that have been butchered by editing, but in all most are still the same anime that you liked, minus a few irrelevant peices. Trimming the fat.

I think people did miss what you were trying to say here. Before you posted this I'd taken your post as 'It doesn't matter how badly they butcher it, it's free, so don't complain'. But now I see where you're coming from better.
I do not believe that it's a good thing, or makes much sense, for a network to censor/edit an anime (or any show really) to the point where the story is changed by those edits, because that defeats the purpose of showing the show in the first place (Cardcaptor Sakura is a prime example of this from what I've heard of what was done to it.)
On the other hand, a little blood being edited out, or a nipple being covered up here and there so the general public can see it really doesn't hurt anything.

I am just saying that a majority of the people I have met don't. They sit and complain and do nothing....
I should probably tell you why I made this. There is a whole topic in General Anime that sits there complaining about Cartoon Network and their use of Kenshin and Evangelion. I AM defending those networks that are even brave enough to play such animes, as they are in their own right contraversial and outspoken in their origins; but for you all to sit their and flame them is not appropriate. They are working with what they can to get out the best anime they can with what resources they have. They don't sit there and say "Lets get THIS shitty edited anime and edit the FUCK out of THIS great one!". They are just like you all and loathe the fact they they are forced to hide all of the story from their viewers. Yet at the same time, they'd be damned if they didn't show anything at all.

I think that deserves a BAM, because it's so true.
I think people get worried, uptight, whatever when a network has a show for a variety of reasons. I believe some people, if not most, really do worry about the story of the show being ruined by excessive editing. I think there's a paranoia factor associated with this, though. Usually the worst case scenario of what can happen is taken as the one that will happen, which produces the 'Oh god they shouldn't even air it' effect.

The other half of people start pulling an elitist standpoint where they get defensive because when the show begins airing on a major network maybe other people will actually like what they're watching, god forbid. And raging against the machince, so to speak, at least makes them feel better about possibly losing 'their show'. I think they miss the fact that the people who create these shows want other people to see them (hopefully not edited to the extreme) and enjoy them, not just a select few who consider themselves worthy of being fans of the show.
Yes, there will be a percentage of the annoying popculture fanbase that everyone so hates, but you get those people anyway, just in a larger quantity when the popularity becomes more widespread. It's a risk everyone takes and (should) accept when they get involved with any sort of hobby: There will be jackholes.
I tend to hope that people are more from the first school of opposition than the second, though, even if it may just be wishful thinking.

I agree that CT and Toonami should be applauded for even trying to air some of the shows that they do air. I mean, 4 years ago when I watched Toonami if I were to guess where they'd be now I'd be way off the mark, because they have made leaps and bounds in programming and maturity. Adult swim is a great example of this, though it isn't by any means perfect.
I have to say I am opposed to Evangelion being aired on Toonami though, but that's only because with all the editing there's no real way for them to even finish showing the series, and if they can't do that then what's the point? Kenshin I'm not so sure about, but that's only because I haven't seen the series, from things I've heard about it though there may be some editing that could be detrimental to the storyline.
But all in all, I do believe that Toonami is doing the best with what it's got. I mean, people complain that it's getting new shows that may potentially be butchered, but would anyone be happy if they were still just playing DBZ and Gundam Wing? (ok, some people would, but I digress...)

I imagine that I am going to be flamed and ridiculed like none other for this post, but I hope you all see what I am talking about.

I for one see what you're talking about and I hope that other people see what you actually meant now too.
I must also say that my opinion of you just went up like x1000. Up till now I'd written you off as a mindless spammer. I'd like to apologize for that assumption and say that it's nice to see I was wrong.

Anyone here ever watch Saturday Anime on scifi when they had it?

Hell yes, and I was pissed when they stopped doing it. It was my anime fix before I completely understood what anime was. (aka. back when I just thought 'wow, this is cool')

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Heres a list of all the things ive seen edited/cut over the years:
Blood
Tears
Concepts
Statements
Swear words
CRUCIAL PLOT ELEMENTS
Certain Logos
Certain parts of the movie that were "objectionable"

I tried to watch Starship Troopers on commercial TV (im in Australia, so it was channel 7) on the amount of shit they cut out was incredible. The whole scene with Dizzy getting fucked up by the bug was massacred; One minute she was fine, then she was dead. Same with Lt. Razcak gettin his legs eaten.

Its against the freedom of speech and information acts, and yet its still favoured by the paranoids amongst the society. Freedom of expression is stymied more and more every day by the closed minded easily offendable people who sit there, and decide what society will and will not watch. This is supposed to be a free country, and yet you cant even watch a movie on tv these days without missing the important bits. Funny thing is, these rules dont seem to apply to Australian films, only to American ones. Personally I think the censors have some sort of grudge against American films. Maybe because they're marketed better, or they make more money, or something.

Censorship is yet another element of control the Governments of the world will do anything to protect. They are just afraid of losing their grip on society.

[CaTaClYsM]

lmao


I love you guys

of course instead of bitching out at gun point fatty, you should take what he says into consideration because ZN on Mortal Kombat is an empty coffin.

So is RX and FU


No, but seriously.

but fyrt .. do you agree with the creation of this topic (even if you consider the hundreds of times this has been debated) Mega was just trolling. of all people here .. i figured youd be intelligent enough to figure that out.

Maybe my response wasnt the most origional or the best one .. but .. it got my point across.

I don't think it matters if I agree or not, I didn't make some flame, you didn't even give an excuse to it. I didn't mean to call you out like that, sorry. No need to bring my intelligence into this either, and that's not trolling, I also didn't find one point to your post.


You know what CaT, you're right. I'm a big fat fucking troll. I get on this website and all I do is make continual insults to ppl who I feel deem it necessary to read them.
But I know for sure that the majority of the ppl on these particular forums would rather see me post here than you. So what does that tell you? Mind your own fucken business CaT. You're just angry because I've called you out on your idiodicy.

At least I don't go around trolling at every turn, you're just like Temjin was, running around doing your damnedest to make the most irrelivent and irational posts possible, trolling, and spamming, and then when someone calls you on it, you them proceed to flame them. Get over it, people don't like me, I couldn't care less, at least I have steped above the level which you are at, which is spamming the board with irational posts and mindlessly trolling whenever the mood strikes you.

[NME]

shut up. tv will be censored or edited, it must be done, my kids don't like all that violence any way. i'm my own daddy. penis.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

ah, another member after NicholasDWolfwoods own heart!! Like birds of a feather, they flock together!!

Stop flaming.

Stop spamming.

Stop trolling.

Or i'll go borrow Mjolnir of my good friend Thor, and smite your pasty white ass. I'll smite it till im blue in the face.

[CaTaClYsM]

I wont defend my spamming, but I can at least keep my posts rational, and try not to get my words misspelled.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Rationality is one of the most over-rated things about reality, which is in turn also over-rated. I don't have to be rational if I don't feel the need to so I guess what I'm trying to....

Ooh, an Einstein-Rosen bridge......

[CaTaClYsM]

want me to go around posting like temjin and fyrt? I'll do that if it makes everyone happy.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Do that, and I'll manufacture a Klein bottle and transport you into either
N-space or Planck space. I havn't decided yet.