Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 1:21 pm

Toe you have enlightened me about things I didn't even ponder about the movies' timelines and technologies. How come there hasn't be a large slew of online multiplayer games to all this?

HungryCrackPot · Post by **HungryCrackPot** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 1:51 pm

there was
you missed it a LONG time ago
and the new games just suck ass

Vale · Post by **Vale** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:03 am

Lyrs wrote:If someone buys me a ticket, i'll go see it.

/end

god wrote:Why pay when you can sneek in?

/later

TommyK · Post by **TommyK** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:06 pm

The movie sucks. But if you want to check it out go for it.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:16 pm

Either I've never paid attention, or it's never been addressed, but what IS Skynet's motive for wiping out humanity (before Judgement Day)? Boredom? And even if Skynet did wipe out humanity after the war, what does it gain?

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:50 am

Either I've never paid attention, or it's never been addressed, but what IS Skynet's motive for wiping out humanity (before Judgement Day)? Boredom? And even if Skynet did wipe out humanity after the war, what does it gain?

Sarah Connor asks how Skynet is built, who's responsible, and how Judgement Day occurred in the station wagon sequence after repairing the radiator leak (at the gas station, where John teaches the T-800 to smile).

T-800:"...the Skynet Bill is passed. Skynet takes control of all automated defense systems as of 1997. It begins learning at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:41am, on August 29th, 1997. In a panic, they try to pull the plug."

Sarah: "Skynet fights back."

T-800: "Yes. It launches it's missiles towards the designated targets in Russia."

John: "But why Russia? Aren't they our allies?"

T-800: "By launching against Russia, Skynet knows the Russian strategic defense system will counterattack, eliminating it's enemies here."

Skynet realizes mankind's true nature, and this is reflected at the gas-station sequence with the two kids playing cops and robbers...

John: "We aren't gonna make it...people I mean."

T-800: "Your species is destined to destroy itself."

Skynet knows mankind will never allow it to exist, dare I say live, as a sentient being. Mankind is only interested in toys which are 100% loyal. After Judgement Day, Skynet figures the only way to completely eliminate the threat, ensuring it's survival, is to wipe out humanity. This is why it didn't stop at Judgement Day, and why it sent the T-800 and T-1000 back through time as a last-ditch effort (I will not recognize the T-X, because as I've stated before, T3 completely fucks up the timeline, and was merely made, like any crappy sequel, to make money off the previous film's success).

the Black Monarch · Post by **the Black Monarch** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:38 pm

Toecutter, you are being extremely irrational. The very first movie fucked up its own timeline with Reese being John's father, and how the Terminators only existed because one of them got sent back through time, so there's no way either JK or the Terminators could have existed in the first place because they'd have to exist in the future before they could exist in the past, which makes no sense... and the second movie fucked up the first's even more by killing Dyson and blowing up Cyberdyne and preventing Judgement Day from ever happening, which is something the third movie actually FIXED.

You see, Toecutter, when you go back in time and change the past, the future *GASP!* changes too! This is why things happen differently in T3 than they were originally going to.

I do agree that they got a few things really wrong, like John's age and Skynet blowing up humanity for no reason instead of self-defense, but most of the changes were necessary because the timeline had been fucked with so much already.

Not that any of this matters... the movie was very touching and emotional in between all the destruction and stuff, and that's what's important.

You choose Sam,the rest wrote:Pretty funny to see John Conner pulling a shinji in the first few minutes of the movie.

Dude, I was thinking the exact same thing! He generally acts like Shinji through the whole movie. He even tells his future wife that she reminds him of his mom! Now THAT is classic Shinji right there! If the live-action Eva movie makes the pilots older, I strongly recommend that he play the role of Shinji.

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:12 am

I already accounted for the whole changing the future crap. You see, there are alternate timelines (or dimensions, if you prefer). John Connor and the existence of Skynet rely on only one alternate timeline for their existence.

Think of timetravel as tracing the growth of a leaf from a twig on a tree, back to the trunk. Reese and the T-800 represent two components of one of the leaves of a twig. Their existence depends on the existence of previous twigs and branches attached to the trunk (the beginning of the universe). When they go back through time, they're landing at a point on the branch which forms a junction for all the other possible futures. If the T-800 survives, and kills Sarah, one new twig is formed, which represents the future of Skynet winning the war against mankind, or Skynet not being created at all, due to the T-800 not being crushed in the hydraulic press. If the terminator is completely destroyed, like in a vat of molten steel (T2 reference), another branch without Skynet existing is formed, except this one includes the birth of John Connor.

The twig that causes Skynet and John's existence is the possible scenario, in which the T-800's chip survives, but Sarah Connor still lives. The junction that makes the major difference, is when the second T-800, and T-1000 go through time. Their interference causes a junction, in which Skynet either is eliminated from the possible futures to come, John is killed, and Skynet wins, or another stalemate, in which Skynet is developed, but John still lives to win the war.

T3 doesn't work with any of these possible futures, because Skynet's development requires Dyson finishes developing the T-800 based neuro-processor, and the T-800's possible future outcome is followed, up to 2:41am, on August 29th, 1997. From there on, Judgement Day is pretty much guaranteed, because mankind will try to eliminate Skynet's self-awareness, and Skynet will attempt to defend itself. August 29th, 1997 is not a junction, because it is already a given that mankind will do anything to stop Skynet, and Skynet will do anything to stop man, and Skynet has more power (when it comes to control over all automated weaponry).

Fine, since you guys don't get it, I'll just have to draw a simplified diagram of the space-time continuum, and post a link later after I scan it, and put it on my website.

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:08 am

Okay, this is it! This url below is the webpage I put up to explain the whole space-time continuum/alternate-universe thing. It's pretty simple to understand once you take a look at it, so if I get any e-mails or posts in this subject, saying you don't get it, YOU'RE JUST AN IDIOT!

http://members.dsl-only.net/~bullard/ch ... nator.html

If you have any other questions, just go read a Stephen Hawking book, or watch "Back to the Future" over and over, until you get it!

Roke · Post by **Roke** » Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:10 am

I don't care about the story.

All I care about is that it's Arnold, and he's around 55 years old. Fucking sweet.