Columbia

[fyrtenheimer]

They go to space they're taking chances, everybody takes chances, why are astronauts so special?!

Really what's sad is that NASA will probably spend in the investigation enough money to feed Africa for 3 fucking months, fuck space travel we should concentrate on mor earthly concerns, i don't give a fuck about going to outer space to place satelites with gioant laser beams to fucking burn the face of earth, fuck NASA

They are taking chances so that you can learn something about our galaxy, and our universe, and by doing this we can learn so much about planetary shifts, and other shit that i cant explain because im not an astronaut.


so die.

i love you

[Timelessblurr]

AHhh!!, points of View!!

I don't fucking want em in my world!! 8)

Nah, talking seriously europe should clean the mess they left in Afrika, faggets, in the other other hand don't say NASA DOES this, or NASA DOESN'T DO I mean what TV says kids ins't always truth, not even half-truths sometimes and in the other hand sometimes they don't say at all

Here some weird Half-truth that might fit some of you and might make some folks laugh (or cry)

http://www.goroadachi.com

You have something against NASA.

Any how I heard a lot complain about the failure was due to the age of the shuttle. I give you created each shuttle is designed to go A LEAST 100 mission this shuttle just happen to be on it 113 but the not the point. Each system on the shuttles have at a minal of on back and normal 2. Even if the shuttle was damage on life of they was not much they could do about it because they have no way to fix it in space. The most they could of done was try to minizms the stress on that part of the ship. The shuttles are about a safe as the can be and they are always trying to make them safer. NASA will scube a mission if there is any dout ahead of time of something being wrong. Over all they have an exently safey record. 3 major accidents in over 40 years.

I must say the it is kind of freak that Apollo I, Challanger and Columbia all happen really close to the same date.

[jonmartensen]

The shuttle was on its 28th mission.

The foam that came off the shuttle during launch was actually between the shuttle and the external booster. When it came off it looks like it hit the left wing. They could not tell if it hit the tip of the wing, the underside, or if it did any damage. Based on previous experience they came to the conclusion (at the time) that no major damage was caused by the foam.

They do/did not have the capabillity to repair any thermal tile damage, while in space, if damage had been caused.

They have not replaced the shuttles because they a perfectly good vehicles. Almost as safe as any new vehical that could be built. The commercial airplanes with the best safety records are the ones that have been in use for the past 30 years. It is when taking steps into unexplored and unknown frontieres that the most dangers are present. The fact that the space shuttles are "old" does not make them unsafe.

[Giton]

OMG!

Do you really want Phade to close the forums again?
So please please both of you, kthulhu and Milo, stop your arguments cause they are getting us nowhere.

One should only make statemants based on facts and not on personal opinions.
This goes for Golden Saucer as well!

Facts are:

1. Astronautics helps Africa, too.
What would we know about global warimng, quality of soil, climate etc. without all those satellites?

2. Of course much money is also wasted, e.g. in military aerospace projects or if a rocket explodes without fulfilling it's misson, but that doesn't involve space travel as a whole.

3. Death is always a tragedy, whether it's the death of those seven astronauts or children killed by mines.

4. Many problems can't be solved with money alone.
Best case is Africa. But European and North-American countries could do more than just watch.
Remember that most of our wealth comes from exploiting under developed countries.

And fuck you too, you overly emotional crybaby. I'm hurting here like little Habidji in Afghanistan who stepped on a nail, that may have been dropped by a US serviceman, but was more likely dropped by his carpenter father. But it may have been dropped by a US serviceman!!

Sorry, but this is just nonsense.
I think nobody will ever complain about somthing like that.

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[NME]

I fink dat space travel is important to da world and everythin. but we've gotta think in da house. so wot if a shuttle blew up? its probably bin said before but me is gonna say it again. dey knew there were risks in bein an astronaut so it shouldn't be a giant surprise whun somethin as fickle as space travel ride the punannis up and kills a couple people.

[missing number]

well I think I been banned what about milo I wonder. This name should be banned too soon considering its obviously me, but :\ well this sucks. I woulda stopped if I were warned this would happen :\ damn
TIME TO FIND A NEW HOBBY
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he started it :p

[missing number]

BY THE WAY, just to clear this up (entered it into my journal, but I figured I might as well put it here too since I'll be re-banned any minute now anyway)

"I feel really bad about what happened to the Columbia topic and hope not too many people are upset with me. My original post was pertaining to the government and iraq in reply to what Giton said. Milo took offense and started the usual insult spewing. I replied to this and made sure to apologise for using that thread to do so. My words were "sorry to corrupt this thread, but as you know I've tried creating separate threads to discuss it and thats just brought about more insults"
In addition, the main point in my reply was this: instead of milo flaming me for my misconception about his POV on the war, he should correct me and we should discuss it humanely. My reply was _not_ meant to be ill natured but to hopefully cause less flaming and more actual discussion."

I'm sorry. Had I used less choice words the reply wouldnt have been problematic at all :\ I apologise for that.

[Mroni]

Sorry you are irritating me. Space travel is really important to humanity. Africa is a stupid waste of time fuck them. I want to see us accomplishing something before I die.

That's what really saddens me: The Nazi-like attitude of some people in this forum.
Of course FEEDING Africa instead of flying into space isn't the right solution, because there are greater problems to be solved before, e.g. growth of population in underdeveloped countries, what is the main reason for the appearance of hunger, starvation or illnesses.

The death of those astronauts is a tragedy indeed, but only one out of millions of tragedies that happend today.
Most of these are unknown to us, because we don't want to see them or we're not wanted to see them.
The upcomming war between the US and Iraq might be a disaster that outnumbers today's accident by a million times.

Modern space travel is still in the beginnings and there will be more deadly incidents in the future.
An astronaut is risking his life every time he goes on a mission or even at training.
If you take a closer look to the backgrounds of those men and women, you'll soon realize that most of them come from the military (US Navy).
Therefore those people are "ready to give their lives" for the mission itself and I think every astronaut is aware that he may come back from space only as a corpse.
So the tragedy/shock itself lies more in the failure of technology than in the deaths of people.

I believe there are more vital things than manned space travel, such as protection of environment, social justice, liberty - things that are necessary to survive on this planet and can't be bought.

Foremost we need a fair, united world with a stable environment before we should even think about space colonies and stuff...

Especially Americans often seem to not realize that.

Sorry if my English's too poor
BTW: I don't want to offend anybody, seems simply the truth to me.

This is of course bullshit. Africa is a stupid waste of time I don't think any sane person would disagree with me. As for a perfect world bullshit. War has always driven Invention,learning and exploration and I don't see why we need to solve our differences here before we go into space. Competition is a nice driving force.

Mr Oni

[Mroni]

I'm not into that pc star trek bullshit. Btw where is Milo in here was his post deleted?


Mr Oni

[missing number]

oni calm down dont get banned too :\