Favorite world war 2 plane!

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat May 31, 2003 4:14 pm

At the start of the Battle the Spitfire was about the same speed as the me 109 but somebody reversed the propeller on it and it gained 40 mph! That messed up or what. The latest version of the 109 at the time was E variant its top speed was 340. later versions were indeed much faster. The german air force was a tactical one not a strategic one the one big bomber it had was a pos. The germans had one chance to win in russia that was the blitzkrieg once that failed their fate was assured. Heh I read that when the russians got in Berlin the russian soldiers were amazed by such things as running water and electric lights.

Mr Oni

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:52 am

Otohiko wrote:
The Brewster B-239 enjoyed considerable success in the hands of Finnish pilots during WW2.
In the course of its combat career in Finland, the Brewster was credited with 496 enemy aircraft destroyed against the loss of 19 Brewsters, a victory ratio of 26:1.
Hehe... how's that for bad plane?

I recommend everyone who is interested about WWII air war to read about Finnish air force. Essentially it was a rag-tag band of mostly obsolote (usually modified) & captured crafts (soviet lend & lease planes) fighting against numerically superior enemy and later technically superior enemy, yet putting up a good show. http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/aircraft.html

Here's a list of all air victories by Brewster. You can see it includes Hurricanes, spitifires, P-40 tomahawks and Sturmoviks: http://www.danford.net/scores.htm

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:39 am

The finns were fighting with the Germans doing world war 2 so I wonder why there are some German planes listed as kills. Interesting websites though.

Mr Oni

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:53 am

Mroni wrote:The finns were fighting with the Germans doing world war 2 so I wonder why there are some German planes listed as kills. Interesting websites though.

Mr Oni

They might have been captured by the soviets at some point of time, much like Finns did. If the date was late 1944 then it would be understandable. Pages are not complete in whole sense since FAF had few captured american planes in service (according to one book about FAF), if I remember correctly few airacobras and one or two mustangs even.

The main combat aircrafts were: BF109, Brewster, Curtiss Hawk, Fiat G.50, Fokker D.XX1 and Morane-Saulnier 406 (aka Mörkö-Morane).

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:20 am

Well, the finns certainly did put up a good fight, true that. I've always been amused by the Fiat G.50's look.

Hmm... wonder about the German kills. I don't really recall the Soviets using captured planes - since there's little chance they would've captured anything in the early war, and by late war they simply had too many of their own. Well, still possible I suppose.

Simpi · Post by **Simpi** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:01 am

Otohiko wrote:Well, the finns certainly did put up a good fight, true that. I've always been amused by the Fiat G.50's look.

As design, G.50 and (especially) Macchi 202 Folgore (one of my favourites) were not that bad, but suffered greatly from the greatest fault in italian avation, lack of weaponry. Then again, Finns achieved a whopping 22:1 kill ratio with it.....

Otohiko wrote:Hmm... wonder about the German kills. I don't really recall the Soviets using captured planes - since there's little chance they would've captured anything in the early war, and by late war they simply had too many of their own. Well, still possible I suppose.

Probably a typo or something, I don't think a friendly fire kill would get marked. Only reason I can think of that it's actually from 'Lapin Sota' (1944 - 45) when Finns had to drive away german forces as dictated by a cease-fire agreement.

Anyway, Brewster & Focke-wulf 190 are my favourite planes from WWII.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:05 am

Simpi wrote:
Probably a typo or something, I don't think a friendly fire kill would get marked. Only reason I can think of that it's actually from 'Lapin Sota' (1944 - 45) when Finns had to drive away german forces as dictated by a cease-fire agreement.

In fact, I'm darn sure then it probably was from Lapin Sota.

Anyway, Brewster & Focke-wulf 190 are my favourite planes from WWII.

Hehe great to have people from other nations of the war weigh in on this

Brewster and FW-190 - no argument there. The Finns made the first a legend despite it being a so-so plane, and the second was outstanding all the same.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:18 pm

Have you guys ever seen any of Extreme detail series toys? They have a kickass version of the Me 109 the stuka and the p38? They are like high detail models but already put together and they come with pilots. The only thing that pisses me off about them is on the german planes they omit the swastikas. http://www.21stcenturytoys.com/products ... no=10129s3

Check this baby out!

Mr Oni

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:48 pm

That pisses me off a bit too, that swastika thing!

It's the same in all the games, too. It is, apparently, illegal in Germany.

I understand the story behind it, yea... but still, why on earth is it so wrong? What, if they ever bring Blade of the Immortal to Germany, they'll have to edit the hell out of the whole manga? (one of the main character there has a huge swastika on his back...) Besides, isn't it just a kanji?

PS those models are l33t. However, I have no monetary resources to obtain something of such quality...

yuppa · Post by **yuppa** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:27 pm

Hey the Buddist use the symbol before the Nazi"s ever touched it and perverted the "Crux, Gamatta' Other name for the Swatika. Which was a symbol in Kanji. Not taht far a stretch as to where Manji"s Name came from eh?