Favorite world war 2 plane!

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:23 am

Actually the swastika was used by egypt and the american indians too. When charles lindenbergh flew across the Atlantic he had a swastica on the spirit of st louis.

Mr Oni

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 3:32 pm

So ok how about everyones favorite bomber. I'm going with the B 17 although the 29 was a far more impressive machine.

Mr Oni

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 3:35 pm

Actually, swastikas have been around for waay longer than most people realize. Back in like pre-buddhist pre hindu times people had a fetish with drawing + 's and out of it came up with the T, the swastika, the egyptian symbol for life, and some other neat stuff.
People were bored back then.

This is a true story.

yuppa · Post by **yuppa** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:00 pm

Mroni wrote:So ok how about everyones favorite bomber. I'm going with the B 17 although the 29 was a far more impressive machine.

Mr Oni

The B-17b was the Dominant bomber of the war Mroni. The B-29 came out to late to really make an impact in the conflict though, except the a bomb dropping. The b-29 had i think it was 10 gun emplacements that were Aimed by radar. The first guns to be done that way i think also. It's armor was also heavier, to withstand flak cannons also.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 11:06 pm

Lol it could also out fly and climb the Zero! Which made trying to shoot them down a night mare for zero pilots. The 17s did the work in europe the 29 was in japan. A very impressive machine. So impressive the Russians got a hold of a couple and made an exact clone!

Mr Oni

yuppa · Post by **yuppa** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 6:20 am

The B-25 is the one you are thinking about in the Pacific theater. The B-29 was THE SUPERFORTRESS! I don't think it could outclimb the Zero though. This just happens to be one of my favorite sublects.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:12 pm

Nah im thinking of the 29. It did all the raids on Japan some of them were forced to land in russian territory though. Heres the link to the Tu 4 the russian B 29 clone I was talking about. The B 25 is the bomber that we used to strike Japan with on tokyo by launching them from air craft carriers and having them ditch in China. Now it's up to you to show me that the 29 couldn't out climb a zero. The Zero was a pitiful excuse for a plane by the end of the war. It was mostly made of wood armed with machine guns and not capable of fighting the later allied fighters. Oh heres another link from the same website about the Kee bird it's a sad story. http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStor ... contss.htm

Mr Oni

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:14 pm

Sorry heres the link for the Tu 4

Mr Oni

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:15 pm

Grrr Hehe http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStor ... contss.htm

Mr Oni

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:06 pm

Tab. wrote:Actually, swastikas have been around for waay longer than most people realize. Back in like pre-buddhist pre hindu times people had a fetish with drawing + 's and out of it came up with the T, the swastika, the egyptian symbol for life, and some other neat stuff.
People were bored back then.

This is a true story.

This is all very true... the image we know as the swastika has been used by many cultures. In the Roman Empire, Christians used that symbol as one of the marks used to signify secret meetings.

However... just to get more up to date... Hitler used that symbol because it was based on a symbol for industry. All he did was rotate the symbol 45 degrees and that is what created the image of Hitler's reich.

Although the symbol has meant many things in the past, it will now never be forgotten as a symbol of hatred, slaughter and evil.

Germany will be stained with the horrors of their past for a long time. (In the grand scale of things, 60 years is not that long ago). I don't know what Germany's laws are when it comes to importing films from other countries that contain the swastika logo in them... so while it is against the law for anyone to display the symbol... the law may not apply to images contained in film, novels or artwork.

Again... I have no idea what the German law is.

-Uncle Milo