Bush's anouncement

[OtakuOutpost]

Tell me, Mroni, why the fuck should I be open minded about this. NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES OF WAR!!

The UNITED STATES came of WAR. Thousands of people died, but something good came from it. War faught to overcome tyrany and injustice in any form brings forth inherent good.

Saying statements like what you said above means the the men and women of our armed services have DIED FOR NOTHING. They give their lives for you and for your freedom and you say it is in vain.

By your logic we should have stayed out of WWII and let Hitler win and execute all the jews and steal all the wealth and resouces of every country and all of europe. Afterall, fighting any war would not bring any good.

Think about what you are saying.

--Tony

[Lyrs]

in war, the union freed the slaves. no acres and a mule though, but still freedom.

/end

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

No, what I'm saying is that the war NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!! There is no party that is more guilty than the other! Its not something that can be pushed on to one person. ITS EVERYONE'S FAULT!! The intrinsic nature of the human species is to fight, to the death if need be. We evolved inteliigence so that we could look beyond intrinsic urges and actually do something constructive, but we're not actually changing one little bit! All we're doing is getting more and more crafty, thats it!

Dude, I hate war but I'm no pacifist. I think war is on the same level as bullying in a schoolyard. Its juvenile, and it achieves NOTHING. If people died to get the US to what it is today, then I say it wasn't worth it. One single human life is worth more than every cent of hard currency, credit and assets on the globe, and yet, with YOUR logic, you are saying that a mere piece of dirt floating in the ocean is worth thousands of human lives. Your logic is quite quite flawed, and your beliefs are archaic. Before you reply again, really think about what the topic of discussion is.

[EarthCurrent]

By your logic we should have stayed out of WWII and let Hitler win and execute all the jews and steal all the wealth and resouces of every country and all of europe. Afterall, fighting any war would not bring any good.

Hitler only managed to come to power because of the treatment of Germany following WWI. And World War I only came about because of the Peninsula War and European Colonial conflicts in Africa.

War precipitates War.

Heck the only reason we are going to war this time is because of the Gulf War.

The Gulf War was the result of the Iran-Iraq War which was the result of the Cold War which was in part the result of the Korean War, which was the result of WWII in the Pacific which was the result of the Ruso-Japanese War...which was the result of Japan's modernization as a result of the Boshin War...and so on and so on...

[kthulhu]

Anyone who supports this war is a fucking idiot. Doesn't anyone understand that THIS COULD BE IT? This could be THE BIG ONE, The war to end all wars, not to mention all life on this PLANET?

Your scenario for this, please? An insulting, emotional outburst doesn't count. And for the record, I don't support this war. The objective and plans for afterwards are not well defined, and it reeks too much of personal vendetta.

Doesn't anyone care?? All you people who think war is a good thing: Fuck the lot of you. Fuck you all. You are all no better than Adolf Hitler, you sadistic motherfuckers.

Quit being such a crybaby. God, you sound worse than UncleMilo.

I do care about the US and the world at large. I care enough that I'd prefer the US be more neutral and let the world take care of itself for a while. The big question is, can the world handle its end without US support? Considering the effectiveness of the UN (constant denunciations and resolutions, followed by a general lack of real follow-up), I think we'll see just as much genocide (such as that which Saddam Hussein inflicts on his people and whoever else he deems as needing it), and potentially a LOT more misery.

As for Adolf Hitler, a lot of people could only wish to have the power he had over the masses. And Stalin, apparently, was a lot worse in the end.

I don't care WHO this pisses off, because I have a RIGHT to stand up for my beliefs. If you love war that much, join the motherfucking defense force and get SHOT, so we dont have to listen to your sadistic garbage anymore.

Your meaning doesn't piss me off, but the way you deliver it does. Diplomacy, sir. And you sound just as bad as the war hawks do.

"WAR!"

"NO WAR AT ANY COST! AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS EVIL AND DESERVES TO DIE!"

You seem to have far more aggression and hatred than the average or even above average war waging enthusiast.

And what do you propose will stop war? Certainly your hostile method won't work.

The real answer: NOTHING will stop war forever. There has been conflict in every century of human existence, and there will be conflict in every century until the end of it.

Conflict and the lust to be on top, sadly, keeps us going as a species.

[OtakuOutpost]

No, what I'm saying is that the war NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!! There is no party that is more guilty than the other! Its not something that can be pushed on to one person. ITS EVERYONE'S FAULT!!

So it's the fault of the oppressed victom that someone is opressing him?

WTF?

I'm sure if he says "Hi, would you please stop raping my daughter and torturing me! I'm really nice" that the people oppressing him are just going to stop? COME ON! BE REAL!

--Tony

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

I get very agressive and confrontational when I'm mad, and as a result I can't get my point across properly. The point I'm trying to make is that fighting for peace is the same as fucking for chastity. Its a contradictory existence. But I'm glad you recognised the point I was trying to make.

[jonmartensen]

Tell me, Mroni, why the fuck should I be open minded about this. NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES OF WAR!!

Then why should anyone be open minded about your opinions? You must first understand others before you can fully express your point of view. And until one is able to express their point of view in a calm and sensible form, it is not worth attempting to state anything.

The planet doesn't deserve the abuse we give it, why do you think theres been an upsurgance of deadly diseases?

This is due merely to overpoputlation. It happens when there are to many of any species for a given area, especially when there is a lack of genetic diversity.

Noone on this earth ever really learns from their mistakes, and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.

I say that.

For an enlightened species we certainly love killing, maiming and harming others don't we?

No and yes. People are certainly not capable of over-riding the basic impulses of the lower brain with the more recently evolved frontal cortex.

In the words of K "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."


Really the best way about the situation of Saddam and Iraq is diplomacy through the UN. Unfortunatly that has been going on for 12 years, with Saddam taunting and threatening the UN and it's inspectors most of the time. I don't like the whole situation as it stands, but something also needs to be done.

[OtakuOutpost]

War precipitates War.

War doesn't precipitate war, human nature does.

Each instance you have stated it is the actions of humans outside of the scope of the war that have precipitated the next war, not the previous war itself.

--Tony

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

No, what I'm saying is that the war NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!! There is no party that is more guilty than the other! Its not something that can be pushed on to one person. ITS EVERYONE'S FAULT!!

So it's the fault of the oppressed victom that someone is opressing him?

WTF?

I'm sure if he says "Hi, would you please stop raping my daughter and torturing me! I'm really nice" that the people oppressing him are just going to stop? COME ON! BE REAL!

--Tony

Okay, look, just forget the whole thing. I was past the point of caring about what people thought about my mindset a long time ago. You've completely missed the point, I'm not surprised. Lets just agree to disagree and move on, right?