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Post by EarthCurrent » Mon May 05, 2003 10:33 am

MCWagner wrote:Actually, not necessicarily. Not contradicting what you're saying, but Mystique could hardly have injected pure iron into the guard's body, therefore it was going in as an ion (Fe2+ or Fe3+) complexed with something, right? What if it wasn't a salt, but a chelated compound like EDTA? The chelation effectively renders the ion harmless (it's usually how they treat people who get iron poisoning) or at least slows down the effect so it's just killing his liver slowly.

Why yes, I am a science geek....why do you ask?
I didn't ask if you were a science geek. You came up with that all by yourself. Good job, I guess. :roll:

But anywho, since we are dealing with iron, they would use Deforxamine, the chelating treatment of choice for iron poisoning, which I guess, can be injected into the bloodstream. Absorbtion rates are slow so usually Deforxamine is taken orally or delivered through an IV solution, though. But Mystique pumped enough iron into him to allow Magneto to make three large marbles, which, even with a chelating agent is a bit much.

Also, once again having suffered from iron poisoning, I can tell you, that chelating and deforxamine treatment do not make you a merry person. Also, due the fact that your kidneys filter out the Deforxamine, your renal functions get all messed up, and urine turns a nice dark orange/red. It is all quite bothersome. If this was a real scenario, the guard probably wouldn't have come into work the next day. But then, he seemed the dedicated type....or did he?

Yet, this is an escapist flick, so in the long run it doesnt matter. And I doubt to many children will run home and try to inject iron into their bloodstream just to see what happens.

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Post by FirestormXIII » Mon May 05, 2003 12:12 pm

I can only say one thing:



I want Apocalypse.







Nevermind how unfeasable it is, I still want to see En Saba Nur.
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Post by Lyrs » Mon May 05, 2003 12:25 pm

I heard it grossed over 8.2 million over the weekends...i'm still not seeing it though.

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Post by MCWagner » Mon May 05, 2003 12:42 pm

earthcurrent wrote: But anywho, since we are dealing with iron, they would use Deforxamine, the chelating treatment of choice for iron poisoning, which I guess, can be injected into the bloodstream.
You mean Deferoxamine? http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drug ... html#SXX17
Yeah, you're right. I used EDTA because there was a bottle of it sitting nearby. In acute treatment, Deferoxamine is injected into a muscle, but it can go into the bloodstream as well. Acute treatment for a 225-lb person works out to about 9 grams of chelator to remove .77 grams of iron.
earthcurrent wrote:Absorbtion rates are slow so usually Deforxamine is taken orally or delivered through an IV solution, though. But Mystique pumped enough iron into him to allow Magneto to make three large marbles, which, even with a chelating agent is a bit much.
Steel has a density around 7.5 gram/cm^3. Judging from the size of the balls...yeah, it would be a bit much. Of course, there's the other 5-6 grams worth of iron already in the human bloodstream. In the comics, Magneto was able to kill people by magnetizing and controlling their blood. He was also able to pull enough magnetic particles out of the air to suffocate people. His appearance in the movie is considerably powered-down.
earthcurrent wrote: Also, once again having suffered from iron poisoning, I can tell you, that chelating and deforxamine treatment do not make you a merry person. Also, due the fact that your kidneys filter out the Deforxamine, your renal functions get all messed up, and urine turns a nice dark orange/red. It is all quite bothersome. If this was a real scenario, the guard probably wouldn't have come into work the next day. But then, he seemed the dedicated type....or did he?
I wonder where the side effects come from? Once the chelator is bound to an ion, it's usually pretty much inert. If the side effects come from the chelator throwing off ionic balances throughout the body by grabbing the wrong ions (toxicity is marked by heart palpitations and seizure, indicitive of calcium/potassium channel malfunction) then they wouldn't show up if the chemical went into the system already bound. So she could inject as much as she liked.

Sorry to hear about the iron poisoning. Transfusion problems?

Sorry everyone. Let's go back to just geeking out over the film. Any comments on how they're gonna re-work the Pheonix story for X3? The start of it is pretty fully rewritten already....
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Post by MCWagner » Mon May 05, 2003 12:44 pm

FirestormXIII wrote:I can only say one thing:



I want Apocalypse.
Hell, let's just ask for Galactus while we're at it. :)
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Post by EarthCurrent » Mon May 05, 2003 2:02 pm

MCWagner wrote:Sorry to hear about the iron poisoning. Transfusion problems?
Managed to rupture my stomach lining back in 2000 and lost 2/3 of my blood--long invovled story as to how it happened. Anywho, I was put on a perscription "Iron Rich" diet whilst rebuilding the ol' blood supply. One, I'm a male, two they forgot to take into account my low body fat, and as a result I wound up with too much iron in my body and had to go through treatment 'cause I was rather sick, already weakened from blood loss, and my entire digest system felt like it was being pinched in a vice. Days of fun. And now you kids can get on with your discussion.

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Post by Kracus » Thu May 08, 2003 1:44 pm

gadoo wrote:
Kamoc wrote:oh well, atleast they didn't bring back jubilee. you can only shoot fireworks so many times before they get annoying. why would anyone have that power anyway?
she is I believe a U.P.O.S (useless piece of shit)

what other x-men do you guys think is a upos?

I think pyro is a upos...he throws fire....so what? I can start a fire too....does that make me special?
Unless they do something with Rogue, she is another UPOS. Just the damsel in distress. I don't, however, think Pyro is UPOS. He plays some critical roles in the comics. I'd like to see him and bobby go at it.

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Post by Kracus » Thu May 08, 2003 1:49 pm

earthcurrent wrote:
SSJVegita0609 wrote:
earthcurrent wrote: While I know it is a "comic" movie, that whole idea made me roll my eyes. That much iron introduced into any male's blood stream would have made him so verilently sick he wouldn't have been able to come to work, and more likely, would have killed him. This, though, is coming from someone who has suffered from iron poisoning, so I don't know how many people out there would think about it.
Well sure it's ridiculous and unfeasible, but come now EC, this is a movie about people with MUTANT POWERS, you gotta just try to forget about logic and simply be entertained.
Never said I wasn't entertained. But I'm not going to sit there in my seat and forget that I'm a smartee type person.

Ever wonder why special forces led by an American military scientist were in Canada? Weapon X was Canadian, but I don't remember the Americans ever having a hand in it-->though they were under S.H.I.E.L.D. in ULTIMATE X-MEN. Having too many timelines just makes for the confusing...
You have to forget what you know from the movie. There was never a stryker who did anything to wolverine; they never called him wolverine. He was Weapon X, he was a canadian test subject along with Sabertooth and maverick. So yea that part with US forces in canada was wrong. but you have to let that go when dealing with movie adaptation. There are alot of changes.

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Post by Kracus » Thu May 08, 2003 1:54 pm

MCWagner wrote:
earthcurrent wrote:While I know it is a "comic" movie, that whole idea made me roll my eyes. That much iron introduced into any male's blood stream would have made him so verilently sick he wouldn't have been able to come to work, and more likely, would have killed him. This, though, is coming from someone who has suffered from iron poisoning, so I don't know how many people out there would think about it.


The only thing I really regret about X2 was NO SENTINELS. I woulda paid a sizeable amount to see Magneto take apart a six-story robot.

As for the rest of it, am I the only one WORRIED about X3? I mean, the first two were cool as hell, but we're talking about the frickin' Pheonix saga here. To tell it the way the comics did, you're gonna have to introduce the whole Shi'ar empire, not to mention the Guardians and the Hellfire Club. (OK, the Hellfire club would kick ass...esp with Emma Frost walking around...they could do a movie just on them...) It's just that the story's so damn LONG, and that's even assuming they end it early, before Marvel changed their minds and decided to undo the whole damn thing. (Oh, everybody who watched the cartoon? You know the bit where they brough Jean back to life by giving some of their life-force? Didn't happen. How'd they bring her back in the comics? Don't ask. People are still pissed about it.) The movies are great (minor flaws and all) but I think the Pheonix saga is just biting off too much.

PS. Y'all are missing the best quote of X2: Wolverine:"Oh shit!"
Most of the sentiinels weren't metal Magneto could take apart. They knew about magneto already and thought ahead for that before building an army of robots.

And oh yea, of course the greatest had to be 'oh shit' why? cause he said shit and it's always the coolest, 1337, uber-, whatever, awesomest when people curse..... :roll:

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Post by Kracus » Thu May 08, 2003 2:00 pm

I liked the movie though, much better then the first. My favorite scenes were the opening with nightcrawler and Mags escaping from prison. I however think that they are going to have Jean come back and it'll be just a latent power rather then the whole M'kron crystal deal.

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