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When: Every Monday, 21:00 EDT (9pm) DL @ 20:30 EDT (8pm)
This week's video:
Link: (shaister) - 2007 - Peach Cobbler
Editor: (shaister)
Category: Character Profile
Anime: Girl Who Leapt Through Time (Movie) [Spoilers]
Song: Frank Sinatra - My Way
Please don't feel you need to read the irc log before jumping into the discussion here!
IRC Log of discussion:
Participants: `Eclipse (Dark Velocity EX - Blake Stevens), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Koopiskeva (Jay Naling), Maru-sha (Serenity Lee), Orwell, Otohiko, purplepolecat (James Dury), quadir (Olivier Beaton)
Edited IRC Log wrote:20:30 <quadir> Thanks to every who submitted videos, this week our two judges chose shaister's Peach Cobbler.
20:30 <quadir> Video: (shaister) - 2007 - Peach Cobbler
20:30 <quadir> Category: Character Profile
20:30 <quadir> Anime: Girl Who Leapt Through Time (Movie) [Spoilers]
20:30 <quadir> Song: Frank Sinatra - My Way
20:30 <quadir> Video Link in the topic, please watch and op it, discussion will start at 9pm EDT. Remember to stay for the bonus vid discussion!
20:30 <Otohiko> nowai
20:30 <Otohiko> I love that video
20:30 <quadir> ops away!
20:31 <KitphyStaawwwwr> hey, I just downloaded that a couple days ago
20:31 <godix> Hmm, wish it had the Sex Pistols version of My Way.
20:31 <KitphyStaawwwwr> hmm
20:31 <KitphyStaawwwwr> maybe I'll watch this video tonight
20:31 <Maru> me too
20:37 <godix> I take it the character is one of those ultimate clutz type characters?
20:38 <orwell> not necessarily I thought
20:38 <orwell> just the way the leaping works
20:38 <godix> leaping?
20:38 <orwell> through time
20:38 <Otohiko> you're spoiling it, aren't you~
20:39 <orwell> it has spoilers?
20:39 <Eclipse> leaping through time?
20:39 <Eclipse> is this that movie from which that guy (forgot his name) made that AMV?
20:39 <godix> Ah, so atomx wasn't taking liberties with the series then.
20:39 <Eclipse> the one about time?
20:39 <orwell> <quadir> Anime: Girl Who Leapt Through Time (Movie) [Spoilers]
20:39 <Eclipse> ahhh
20:40 <godix> Ok, someone familiar with the series tell me, is the end of this video the same way the series ends?
20:40 <orwell> not quite
20:40 <orwell> it doesn't go EoE
20:40 <godix> Too bad. That would have been the best anime ending evar
20:41 <godix> *SMASH* credits roll.
20:41 <Koop> |:>
20:41 <Eclipse> lol
20:41 <orwell> I'll keep that in mind
20:41 <Koop> dont tell me the bonus vid will be brad's vid
20:41 <Koop> |:>
20:42 <quadir> not doing the double mohoro stunt tonight, if that's what you're asking
20:42 <Koop> mmk
20:42 <godix> I hope not. I like that the bonus video is, mostly, shit no one ever heard of.
20:54 <Koop> i watched the video for tonight
20:54 <Koop> good stuff
20:55 <Koop> its good stuff
20:55 <quadir> that a boy
21:03 * G_Q liked it.
21:03 <Otohiko> I love this video, etc.
21:03 <quadir> the first thing that struck me was the beginning, how it's showing the ending, then builds up again to that moment
21:04 <Eclipse> all right
21:04 <G_Q> The entire video was a "life stinks" sort of video.
21:04 <Eclipse> =P
21:04 <quadir> I'm not sure
21:04 <Eclipse> i didn't think of it as that
21:04 <G_Q> The protagonist comes across as clumsy and unlucky.
21:04 <quadir> it's definately a character profile, and as such it's more of a "how did I cope with life" type thing
21:05 <quadir> the pudding shot is pretty guilty pleasures type of thing
21:05 <G_Q> In fact, her death (?) at the end was just because her brakes gave out on her bike.
21:05 <G_Q> That's a rather ironic ending.
21:05 <Otohiko> yea
21:05 <Eclipse> yeah, i agree. the protagonist came across as someone with bad luck, but she still trudges on
21:05 <Otohiko> I can relate rather well being approximately as clumsy as that, etc.
21:05 <Eclipse> bad luck, clumsy, etc
21:05 <godix> I love the ending. *SMACK*. Video ends. The abruptness of it is what makes it great.
21:06 <quadir> it could of done without the final smack
21:06 <Otohiko> I disagree
21:06 <quadir> it was fine without it just recapturing the beginning
21:06 <Otohiko> I think the whole video leads up to the smack
21:06 <orwell> indeed, the final smack is the redeeming point of the entire thing
21:06 <Otohiko> I would've loved the video anyway, but the ending just...
21:06 <quadir> yes but you don't need to SHOW IT
21:06 <Otohiko> hmm
21:06 <orwell> then what's the point of amvs?
21:07 <godix> As I was asking before we startign talking about the video, I really wanna know if that's how the show actually ends. *SMACK* credits roll.
21:07 <orwell> if not to show people getting hit by trains
21:07 <Koop> i liked it
21:07 <Koop> |:>
21:07 <quadir> i still don't see the tying with the pool tower though
21:07 <godix> I think the smack fits. The entire thing comes off as a 'life flashes before my eyes and I don't regret it' type of thing. Without the smack it'd lose that.
21:07 <Koop> it wasnt trying to be vague about what happened... it was to the point and didnt try to be all artistic about it
21:08 <quadir> godix: exacly, but we know as we recapture the slowmo at the end, tying in with the beginning, you know it's gona happen
21:08 <quadir> Koop-ism: I guess that's it, I thought the whole video was a bit more artsy and at the end it just clubs you over with a baseball bat :(
21:08 <orwell> Godix: I just watched the end again, it doesn't end that way, it ends with a happy scene as if the entire movie never happened
21:08 <Eclipse> yeah
21:09 <Koop> i never thought the video was artsy at all
21:09 <Eclipse> the whole thing kinda jumped out at you
21:09 <Koop> its a good counter point to brad's artsy time video
21:09 <Otohiko> in which case could we class this as a sort of...
21:09 <Otohiko> alternate-story video?
21:09 <godix> quadir: It's highlighting the point. Without it people tend to overlook the fact that yes, she does indeed get hit by the train (although orwell jsut indicated she doesn't). With it you can't ignore that the video was basically her final thoughts.
21:09 <orwell> I didn't get a strong sense of story myself
21:09 <quadir> Koop-ism: artsy != after effects
21:10 <orwell> it was more like, here's a glimpse of my life
21:10 <orwell> smack
21:10 <Koop> never meant that ae was the artsy part
21:10 <Otohiko> well, that's just a realistic story
21:10 <Koop> i meant that brad's video was trying to do this whole meaning of time and life thing
21:10 <Koop> this video focused on character
21:10 <godix> I wouldn't say it had a story so much as it had a theme.
21:10 <Koop> it wasnt trying to be vague about nething
21:10 <quadir> the music vhoice and prgression in the video seemed pretty cinematic to me
21:11 <Koop> it followed the song and took things literally without being stupid about it
21:11 <quadir> not vague, you're right
21:11 <orwell> If it was trying to be cinematic
21:11 <godix> She came off as a klutz though. If that's a result of her jumping through time, well, it didn't come off that way.
21:11 <orwell> shouldn't it pick up somehow when the music does?
21:11 <Eclipse> i agree with Koop
21:11 <Eclipse> it was pretty straightforward
21:11 <Otohiko> well, yea
21:11 <Otohiko> and I don't see why it wouldn't be straightforward
21:11 <Otohiko> that's what makes it good, to me
21:11 <quadir> I guess I may just have a warped sense of artsy
21:11 <Otohiko> good and relatable
21:12 <orwell> it kept a pretty even tone of motion, instead of flowing as the music does
21:12 <Koop> and hence why it was a nice counter point to the vague and artsy time video of brad's, so i like them both... shows a completely humanistic side to the movie
21:12 <orwell> it might try at times, but on the whole...
21:12 <godix> I think in many spots the scene selection was rather iffy. Sometimes he forced lyric sync too much. Other times he could done with some lyric, or at least mood, sync.
21:12 <Otohiko> I'd be careful with playing around the definition of art/artsy of course :-P
21:13 <Koop> yea :P
21:13 <godix> Art is whatever doesn't have another use.
21:13 <Otohiko> well then I'm art
21:13 <Koop> hi art
21:13 <Koop> not high art
21:13 <Koop> :\
21:13 <Otohiko> no, I don't do drugs lol
21:13 <Otohiko> anyway
21:13 <godix> Yes you are. One of those bad wanna be dada artist made you.
21:13 <Koop> i can change that >_>
21:14 <quadir> when I first loaded this video and saw an upside down train I was like oooooo "A total waste of 6 minutes, ...."
21:14 <Otohiko> I did like the way it used visuals though
21:14 * quadir loved that vid.
21:14 <Otohiko> it didn't rush them past
21:14 <Otohiko> it let the scenes kind of draw out on their own
21:14 <Otohiko> which I think did emphasize the really nice art in the footage itself
21:14 <quadir> the multiline synch are pretty sweet
21:15 <quadir> like 0:57 "regrets"..."I've had a few"
21:15 <quadir> with just 1 scene
21:15 <Otohiko> I didn't think the editing was really impressive as such, but it did do justice to both the song and footage
21:15 <godix> Otohiko: True, the pacing was fine. But the actual scenes was questionable. Like 3 scenes of her rolling around on the ground in a row to lyrics about not having many regrets. What?
21:15 <Otohiko> I think "a few" works there
21:15 <Otohiko> I personally liked that particular scene choice(s)
21:15 <Eclipse> lol
21:16 <G_Q> The choices worked in the video's favor, for sure.
21:16 <quadir> 1:26 "each charted course" leading into "careful step" (I didn't notice her stumbling on "careful" the first time)
21:16 <quadir> "along the byway"
21:16 <quadir> the scenes just keep flowing where there doesn't need to be random edited in scenes to synch to
21:17 <quadir> and I didn't feel it was drawn out
21:17 <quadir> the middle of the vid around the 2:00 minute mark is pretty "overcoming it all"
21:19 <quadir> like a whole 2 minutes of the vid is all about her overcoming it all, I'm not sure about that whole clutz that dies sentiment
21:19 <godix> I will say I kinda wish the character could WALK somewhere.
21:19 <quadir> Maru-sha: what did you think?
21:20 * Maru-sha gives a thumbs up!
21:20 <polecat> I wish there was a rating category for "concept", because this would earn a 10 easily.
21:20 <godix> originality kinda sorta fits that.
21:20 <G_Q> polecat: Originality is where that goes.
21:20 <polecat> I did get a little bored during the middle though.
21:20 * G_Q gave it a 10 himself.
21:21 <quadir> polecat: cause she wasn't having her ass handed to her?
21:21 <orwell> why give it a ten for concept? what makes it original?
21:21 <polecat> yeah i guess originality is basically the same thing
21:21 <Eclipse> i liked hte idea of the upside down train in the beginning though =P
21:21 <G_Q> orwell: Between the combinations and the theme, it was pretty original compared to many videos out there.
21:21 <godix> shaister just replied to some of the ops.
21:21 <polecat> q : because there seemed to be a lot of filler clips that didn't really fit
21:22 <quadir> orwell: I agree, I found it to be a really well executed character profile... and those aren't that new, neither are life flashbacks
21:22 <quadir> godix: he's been replying as they are coming in
21:22 <godix> has he? Someone should point out to him that we're in this channel now....
21:22 <quadir> godix: my first op did at 8:30
21:23 <quadir> he should be dropping by in a little bit
21:23 <quadir> polecat: hm, the pool jump sequence or the classroom+baseball line?
21:24 <polecat> q: those clips were OK
21:24 <quadir> I'm not sure I know what you're talking about then
21:25 <quadir> is the train upside down in the original anime?
21:25 <orwell> I think so, that's the way she views
21:25 <orwell> it
21:25 <quadir> k
21:26 <orwell> see if I can find that scene again
21:26 <orwell> and why is it so hard to find the march of a dead woman?
21:26 <polecat> q : 1:12 "I did what I had to do"
21:27 <G_Q> I usually don't think of originality in terms of "another character profile".
21:27 <quadir> polecat: that starts off the focus on positive things, how she copes with her life of regrets
21:27 <quadir> polecat: it's a guilty pleasure
21:27 <godix> polecat: I agree. That scene actually made me think 'Why the hell is he showing that?'
21:27 <polecat> why is she eating raw egg ?
21:28 <quadir> it's raw egg? I thought it was pudding :(
21:28 <polecat> my theory is scarcity of footage
21:28 <polecat> could be
21:28 <godix> probably. Still comes off as scene choice needs work though.
21:28 <quadir> roll call, sum up your thoughts
21:28 <polecat> it's hard to find enough clips in 1 movie for a longish song
21:28 <Koop> |:>
21:29 <Maru> true
21:29 <quadir> I really liked the pacing in this video, and I thought I really identified with the character by the end and CARED that she died
21:29 <G_Q> It was a good, slow-paced but nicely-flowing AMV, overall.
21:29 <Koop> yer an amv
21:29 <Koop> |:>
21:29 <G_Q> It presented a story and worked out well.
21:29 <Eclipse> i liked the scene selections, and the fact it was pretty straightfoward for a character profile
21:29 <Koop> ill present yer story
21:29 <Koop> |:>
21:29 <godix> Not bad. Fairly original which holds a lot of sway with me. Could have used better scene choice and no lipsync. Decent internal sync. Haven't decided if I'll keep it or not but considering I usually delete these weekly videos of ours as soon as the discussion is done that's actually better than usual.
21:29 <orwell> To sum it up, it was alright, but to have motion move as it did in the music, when a note elevates, speed up, pan up ala haruhi, do something up
21:29 <polecat> great concept but limited rewatch value
21:30 <G_Q> Koop: "Laugh it up, fuzzball." :P
21:30 <Koop> mk
21:30 <Otohiko> I personally like this one way too much
21:30 <Koop> |:>
21:30 <Koop> he likes it more than a blowjob
21:30 <orwell> Oto, next source?
21:30 <Otohiko> easily one of my top... however many favorite videos
21:30 <Otohiko> perhaps?
21:30 <Otohiko> I still haven't seen the movie :-P
21:30 <polecat> has anyone seen this movie ?
21:30 * G_Q hasn't
21:30 <Koop> im prolly never gonna watch it
21:30 <Koop> |:>
21:30 <G_Q> It looks Ghibli-ish, though.
21:31 <Koop> id prolly want to amvfy it
21:31 <Koop> |:>
21:31 <orwell> I think it's just because it's old
21:31 <Eclipse> i haven't found no torrents >.>
21:31 <orwell> box
21:31 <Otohiko> it's old?
21:31 <Koop> no its not old
21:31 <Eclipse> orwell, it's a new movie
21:31 <orwell> I thought it was
21:31 <Koop> |:>
21:31 <orwell> maybe the live action one is
21:31 <Otohiko> the director who made it worked on uh
21:31 <Otohiko> one of the digimon movies
21:31 <Koop> the r2 dvd came out on the dealine of acen... april 20th
21:31 <Eclipse> whoah
21:31 <Otohiko> and something else
21:31 <Eclipse> Koop: thanks =)
21:31 <Koop> mmhmm
21:31 <orwell> oh, the live action one came out in 83
21:32 <G_Q> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=6733
21:32 <quadir> this vid is definitely gona make me watch the movie
21:32 <G_Q> So, she has "The Butterfly Effect"?
21:32 <G_Q> >_<
21:32 <Eclipse> lol
21:32 <Eclipse> oh hey
21:32 <Eclipse> i don't know if this is true, but it may be coming to the US in march 2007
21:33 <Maru> hooray!!!
21:33 <Maru> wait....that passed!!
21:33 <Eclipse> oh shit >.>
21:33 <Eclipse> my bad
21:33 <Maru> grrrr
21:33 <Eclipse> ignore that
21:34 <G_Q> Looks like it won its share of festival awards.
21:34 * Maru-sha bashes Eclipse with Excaliborg!!
21:34 <G_Q> I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.
21:34 <Eclipse> hopefully it gets a r1 release soon
21:34 <G_Q> Those usually do get one.
21:35 * G_Q intercepts Maru-sha.
21:35 <quadir> back to the video, I'm really diggin the synch at 2:57 "and may I say, no in a shy way"
21:35 <G_Q> Now, Maru, don't ...
21:35 <quadir> not, even
21:35 * G_Q 's head is sliced off.
21:35 -!- Niotex is now known as Nio|Zzz
21:35 <Eclipse> G_Q!!!
21:35 <Eclipse> *cues MGS music*
21:35 * G_Q 's blood flies out everywhere.
21:36 <G_Q> "Stop, I'm about to create a time paradox"?
21:36 <G_Q> :P
21:36 <polecat> The 2nd time I watched it I wanted to yell at her not to get on the bike at 0:40
21:36 <quadir> haha
21:36 * Maru-sha revies G_Q
21:37 * G_Q needs the magic words.
21:37 <Maru> oh god....
21:37 <G_Q> (but I'm dead, so you can't hear me right now)
21:37 <Eclipse> G_Q: wrong idea
21:37 <Eclipse> regarding paradoxes >.>
21:37 <polecat> it works as a bike safety PSA. Wear a helmet ! Maintain your brakes !
21:37 <G_Q> Just trying to stay OT
21:37 <quadir> polecat: don't think the helmet would of helped
21:37 <Maru> Pi piru piru piru pi piru pi!!
21:37 <orwell> as long as we're OT, I found my dead woman parade
21:38 <quadir> soooooooo
21:38 * G_Q is revived!
Bonus Video:Q&A With Shai wrote:21:40 -!- Shai (shaister) has joined #amv-review
21:40 <quadir> still a great character profile
21:40 <Shai> thanks :0
21:41 <Shai> i responded to all the ops
21:42 <quadir> but yeah, shai is the editor for tonight's feature video
21:42 <godix> shai: So anything in the ops you want to reply to?
21:43 <Shai> sure just a sec
21:43 <quadir> godix: you mean that wasn't in the op-replies? :)
21:43 <godix> quadir: Yes. Since having a direct conversation is different than op and reply.
21:44 <Shai> so, i actually responded to all the ops in the comments, but i can repeat it here
21:44 <Shai> re: the life is full, i was thinking more along the lines of "eat drink and be merry" as opposed to "i'm stuffed"
21:45 <Shai> and, I think it's pretty clear she regretted rolling headfirst into those hard objects :0
21:45 <quadir> anyways Shai made it here so if you had any questions or direct comments fly away
21:45 <godix> Shai: And her eating from the fridge. WTF did that have to do with anything?
21:46 <polecat> yes, what was she eating there ?
21:46 <godix> Shai: I'll say one thing, at least your video didn't suck like the bonus does.
21:46 <orwell> pudding, according to the anime anyways
21:46 <Shai> i thought it was cute that she thought pudding eating was her solemn duty :O
21:46 <orwell> I'll second that
21:46 <polecat> OK i get it.
21:47 <polecat> the old "pudding rationalization"
21:47 <Shai> hehe
21:48 <quadir> polecat: told you it was pudding!
21:48 <quadir> raw egg shmaw
21:51 <quadir> Shai: from your point of view would you say 50% of your vid is of her 'overcoming advercity' or is her loosing?
21:52 <Shai> she loses more than she overcomes, i'd say
21:52 <Shai> the point being it's not so much whether she wins or loses, as long as she does it her way
21:52 <godix> Shai: Oh, I don't think I mentioned it in the op, but I love the abruptness of the ending. SMACK. video ends. I die laughing.
21:52 <Shai> thanks, i thought that was pretty funny when i first put in too :p
21:53 <G_Q> Shai: That's pretty much what I thought, as well.
21:53 <quadir> Shai: I wanted the upside down train shots at the beginning to be your editing :(
21:53 <Shai> ah? i thought they were a nice way to catch your attention at the beginning
21:54 <quadir> but another reason I thought the ending SMACK didn't work as much is because look how freaking FAR she is from the train when flying over the barrier
21:54 <godix> quadir: There was a doubt that was the anime? Come on. Shai didn't do any real effects in this video. Which isn't a complaint, it works that way. But still, come on.
21:54 <quadir> and yet the closeup shot shows the train coming up to her while she's in the air
21:54 <polecat> "things you would never want to see in real life"
21:54 <quadir> it's really inconsistent
21:54 <Shai> i dont think she is hit by the front of the train
21:54 <quadir> if I just saw the wide shot I'd say she was fine except for a scrapped knee
21:54 <Shai> i think she would be run under it as its passing
21:54 <quadir> godix: it's the start of the vid, you have no idea the level of editing
21:55 <quadir> godix: also a lot of good editing can be indecernable from the original footage
21:55 <orwell> Quadir, do you have a example for that?
21:55 <orwell> one isn't coming to mind
21:55 <godix> I can think of a few but not many and they usually aren't well known videos.
21:55 <quadir> orwell: off the top of my head whisper of the beast bandana thing looked too kickass to not be in the anime
21:56 <quadir> but that's not the best example
21:56 <quadir> just what came to mind right away
21:56 <quadir> there was an akira video effects heavy that did the same
21:56 <orwell> hmmm, I don't think I can bring myself to watch that
21:56 <godix> Angel Redemption 2. That's an example.
21:56 <orwell> Psychologia?
21:56 <quadir> but those are adding effects where you expect them in the original series
21:56 <quadir> instead of doing effects so well people can't tell it's been changed
21:57 <orwell> I'll take a look at AR2, been a long time since I watched that
21:57 <godix> orwell: There's one specific scene I'm thinking of. There's a scene of the angel walking in the rain or something. However in the anime it's bright and sunny out. If he didn't mention that in the video description I never would have known.
21:58 <quadir> Shai: thanks for dropping by too :)
21:59 <Shai> no prob :0 thanks for choosing my vid
Link: Kyle Jackson - 2007 - Mr. Lonely Kon
Editor: Kyle Jackson ((kajin_phoenixlord))
Category: Character Profile
Anime: Bleach
Song: Bobby Vinton - Mr. Lonely
Tags: [Mild Sexual Fixation]
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