Rozard wrote:I guess we should all go back to the 12-Bar, 3-Chord song progressions of the 50's.
No Dammit! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
*Kills thread to hide the horror*
The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...
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FirestormXIII
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ayanami_soul
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its true!
some "artist" may be the hypest out there, but their personalities stink,
well for the jerks that have personalities. I've met great ppl who helped me along the way and told me how much my vids stinked, but they didn't say crap like "my first vid was crap, but it was better than thank piece of low-grade crap" and stuff along that line and worse....this is the best forum post i've read and replied to in a while.
the best way to proved a cocky "artist" wrong is to improve and create a vid that is equal or better than their work..i don't mean look at their vid duplicate their ideas and make a "better" vid....come up with i deas you wanna see..don't use songs everyone uses..well if u do use the song to protray somethng different...and work on it like hell...well email me at btrunks4@hotmail.com
well for the jerks that have personalities. I've met great ppl who helped me along the way and told me how much my vids stinked, but they didn't say crap like "my first vid was crap, but it was better than thank piece of low-grade crap" and stuff along that line and worse....this is the best forum post i've read and replied to in a while.
the best way to proved a cocky "artist" wrong is to improve and create a vid that is equal or better than their work..i don't mean look at their vid duplicate their ideas and make a "better" vid....come up with i deas you wanna see..don't use songs everyone uses..well if u do use the song to protray somethng different...and work on it like hell...well email me at btrunks4@hotmail.com-
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I'm an elitist! No, really, I am. That's just me. I'm very egotistical, eccentric, badass, and 8 shades of ass blistering reality coupled with a few sharp bitch slaps of hard biting sarcasm.
Know what else? I LIKE other people who have my attitude, people who think they can take on the world, people who believe they can be and are better than most people. Because you know what, in most cases they are. See if they weren't, you wouldn't be bothered by it. I mean if a fool walks into a room and claims he's the best and everyone just laughs, then he really is just a fool. But the guy who comes into a room and claims to be the best and peeps immediately jump into an argument, it's because they feel threatened, because they know they're inferior.
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Know what else? I LIKE other people who have my attitude, people who think they can take on the world, people who believe they can be and are better than most people. Because you know what, in most cases they are. See if they weren't, you wouldn't be bothered by it. I mean if a fool walks into a room and claims he's the best and everyone just laughs, then he really is just a fool. But the guy who comes into a room and claims to be the best and peeps immediately jump into an argument, it's because they feel threatened, because they know they're inferior.
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Yeah, I just hate it when those damned things start arguing with me.The_Mad_Hatter wrote:and peeps immediately jump into an argument
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pinku-sensei
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The Mad Hatter is telling the truth!
Hi, Malkavian! It's good to see you in a neutral environment where you are at your most helpful and productive.
Believe every word of his description. I interacted with him on a USENET forum where I made sure I was very nice to him--and stayed out of his way as he proceeded to type rings around both sides of a long-running flamewar and cower the principal flamer into behaving--until he went away! The handle he used (and by which I addressed him) is still legend there--and he hasn't been there for a year!The_Mad_Hatter wrote:I'm an elitist! No, really, I am. That's just me. I'm very egotistical, eccentric, badass, and 8 shades of ass blistering reality coupled with a few sharp bitch slaps of hard biting sarcasm.
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The_Mad_Hatter
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Re: The Mad Hatter is telling the truth!
Yup, I'm always nicest to the froups I like teh most. He, he, he...pinku-sensei wrote:Hi, Malkavian! It's good to see you in a neutral environment where you are at your most helpful and productive.
Yeah I get around a lot, I just love exploring new communities, seeing what's what, whose who, and of course I love a good flame war, verbal sparring is one of my favorite pastimes. ^_^Believe every word of his description. I interacted with him on a USENET forum where I made sure I was very nice to him--and stayed out of his way as he proceeded to type rings around both sides of a long-running flamewar and cower the principal flamer into behaving--until he went away! The handle he used (and by which I addressed him) is still legend there--and he hasn't been there for a year!
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Re: The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...
SpPANDA wrote: I've seen and heard stories of AMV Creators bitch and whine to get their way at conventions because they think they're special. but you know what? you shouldn't be getting any special priveleges. I don't care who you are.
Huh. Could you give a few examples?
Indeed, I agree. There's no excuse for it. If people would take the time to help some of these newbies, we might find some new talent among them. But otherwise, they're usually left to fend for themselves and end up making common mistakes like using poor quality digisub footage, Cartoon network footage, or subtitled footage. Even worse, if we don't give them proper guidance, they'd commit the worst sin of all: Making a DBZ or Linkin Park AMV!Another example might include the 'newbie'. a newbie joins this forum to get help. to meet people. and when they ask "Who do you make an AMV?" they're not trying to be annoying. they ask out of curiousity. and to get a deeper understanding of how the creation of such a thing begins. how does this community treat that 'newbie'? you all flame them. everyone. you all flame them. and make them feel insignificant.
I've been there. When I joined the AMV mailing list, I made a comment that went something like "Kevin Caldwell raised the bar by which all AMVs must meet" or something stupid to that effect. I got my ass SOOOOO handed to me. Although with a comment like that, I probably earned the wrath I received...You belittle them to the point where you make them believe the AMV community as a whole are just assholes. It's happend to me once or twice too. I ask a simple question and everyone blows up at me. "Where's Kevin Cawldwell?" i asked. and i wont even list the names of the people who flamed me. I was hurt. my community is too egotistical.
I tried to be humble when I got my award at AX (I hope I succeeded), but just as there are poor losers, there are also poor winners. I don't hold it against them to want to brag a little bit... but yeah, some can be excessive.I've also noticed the changes in attitudes among award winners at conventions. I've seen 'nobodys' win awards and rub it in people's faces.
Am I mistaken, or did your video win the Action category at AX2002? That should count for something, I should suppose.My videos suck.
Tommy Rude is just plain obnoxious, and it seems he goes out of his way to piss people off sometimes. I couldn't stand him when I first met him at my panel (where he was booing my panelists) and later again on the AMV mailing list when he was being a general prick. I later chatted with him on AIM and found out that he is actually civil when not among a crowd, and we get along rather well. If I were to speculate a guess though, I'd wager that I'm one of a handful of people who are capable of tolerating him, and that what popularity he has isn't exactly favorable.i've talked to people. people who tell me how much of a ass THIS person is.. or how much an ass THAT person is. and i argree. i hate to say it, but i agree.
TommyRude for example... FOR EXAMPLE!
He came to me asking for help on making his own DDR project. I told him straight up that he'd have a massively uphill battle in organizing it, but if he was serious and willing to put in the work, I'd help. Eventually he bowed out, which is probably for the best. One DDR project group is headache enough. I think everyone else felt this way as well, and with this idea coming from Tommy, I can see how people would probably jump down his ass. That doesn't make it right though, granted that.
When I met Ermac I found him to be quite likable, albeit quick to get annoyed. He has my respect as a guy who really knows his shit though. Maybe he flaunts that fact it a bit too much, and indeed people do have a hard time with people who know that they know more than you. I'm not going to bash nor defend the guy either way, that's for him to do. I don't have a problem with him though, and the only guy I know of who does is the afforementioned Tommy Rude.Ermac is another example. EXAMPLE!
people hate him. why? hell if i know... or care for that matter. he thinks he's up on the "heirarchy" along with many others... maybe his ego irritates others. maybe others are jealous? but jealous of what? the number of awards he has? awards aren't anything to lable anybody with.
My shit doesn't stink. It reeks. It's all about perspective, you see. ^_^who has the right to decide who's Elite? what is elite? why are these people elite? how do you become elite? Elite members... have the worst attitudes of them all. They act as though their shit doesn't stink. I'd like to see them prove me wrong.
I consider it great experience for a future profession. ^_^it's only a hobby.
it's not a profession.
Anyway, hold onto your thoughts on all this. You'll have a choice to voice them at my panel at AX2003, and it sounds like it might be interesting.
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Re: The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...
>Indeed, I agree. There's no excuse for it. If people would take the
>time to help some of these newbies, we might find some new talent
>among them.
I believe in the ol saying, "If you have to ask, you'll never know". I mean if you're so out of it that you can't figure out how to do it on your own, the chance that you're ever going to produce anything other than mediocrity is unlikely. People who are truly creative usually have the motivation to learn how to do something on their own and they KNOW it's not going to be something so simple that it can be summed up in a paragraph response from some d00d on a message board.
The new artist who watches an AMV and sees a lip synch effect for example and first tries to figure out how it was done in his head, rather than just looking up the answer, is usually the superior artist. Most people think that education is something that can just be handed out to you on a silver platter with a big red bow, but it really can't. If you need that, you're not truly learning. Learning is mostly trying to figure things out on your own, in your own way, and making your own mistakes and learning from them along the way.
>But otherwise, they're usually left to fend for themselves and end up
>making common mistakes like using poor quality digisub footage,
>Cartoon network footage, or subtitled footage.
I think my latest video proves that you can use Cartoon Network footage and have it look 8 shades of awesome My method of covering their logo was quite ingenious as well as original if I do say so myself.
>Even worse, if we don't give them proper guidance, they'd commit the
>worst sin of all: Making a DBZ or Linkin Park AMV!
The biggest problem as I see it is that some people are just artistically deficient. Sorta like being tone deaf. Some people just have a real hard time spotting what's really eye catching, thought provoking, or interesting. So they just go through and slap a bunch of random sloppy clips together, throw in a song, and call it good. DBZ and Linkin Park just happen to be current mainstream media favorites, don't ever make the mistake that there's something wrong with that combination. You could make an absolutely stunning and incredible DBZ/Linkin Park video...however I've yet to see anyone bother to really put in the effort.
>I tried to be humble when I got my award at AX (I hope I succeeded),
>but just as there are poor losers, there are also poor winners. I
>don't hold it against them to want to brag a little bit... but yeah,
>some can be excessive.
I think that a couple of my videos probably could win an award or two if I bothered to enter them, but my standards are high enough that I know I can do far better than I have so far, and until I reach the true pinnacle of my abilities I won't bother to enter any contests.
>Tommy Rude is just plain obnoxious, and it seems he goes out of his
>way to piss people off sometimes. I couldn't stand him when I first
>met him at my panel (where he was booing my panelists) and later
>again on the AMV mailing list when he was being a general prick.
Hrmmm...this person sounds like fun, wonder if he's any good at invective sparring. Probably not, a lot of people can fake it alright, but when they try and match wits against someone they usually just fall apart completely (especially in public). I may take a stab at him though sometime, see if he wants to play, he he he... `, D
>When I met Ermac I found him to be quite likable, albeit quick to get
>annoyed. He has my respect as a guy who really knows his shit though.
>Maybe he flaunts that fact it a bit too much, and indeed people do
>have a hard time with people who know that they know more than you.
I can fully understand Ermac's side of things, when you know a LOT about a certain subject, and even if you don't go way outta yer way to brag about it, for some reason you can still manage to piss off 3 or 4 dozen people. I guess it's a matter of jealousy, but I can't say that for certain. It might also be you just make a convenient target for some people to project on. I mean I've been in groups where a person will start a thread and straight out ask me a question, which I'll just then plainly answer, and then suddenly 3 or 4 other people will respond to me with third grade level insults and other childish behavior like I'm some kinda 9th level braggart. o_O
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>time to help some of these newbies, we might find some new talent
>among them.
I believe in the ol saying, "If you have to ask, you'll never know". I mean if you're so out of it that you can't figure out how to do it on your own, the chance that you're ever going to produce anything other than mediocrity is unlikely. People who are truly creative usually have the motivation to learn how to do something on their own and they KNOW it's not going to be something so simple that it can be summed up in a paragraph response from some d00d on a message board.
The new artist who watches an AMV and sees a lip synch effect for example and first tries to figure out how it was done in his head, rather than just looking up the answer, is usually the superior artist. Most people think that education is something that can just be handed out to you on a silver platter with a big red bow, but it really can't. If you need that, you're not truly learning. Learning is mostly trying to figure things out on your own, in your own way, and making your own mistakes and learning from them along the way.
>But otherwise, they're usually left to fend for themselves and end up
>making common mistakes like using poor quality digisub footage,
>Cartoon network footage, or subtitled footage.
I think my latest video proves that you can use Cartoon Network footage and have it look 8 shades of awesome My method of covering their logo was quite ingenious as well as original if I do say so myself.
>Even worse, if we don't give them proper guidance, they'd commit the
>worst sin of all: Making a DBZ or Linkin Park AMV!
The biggest problem as I see it is that some people are just artistically deficient. Sorta like being tone deaf. Some people just have a real hard time spotting what's really eye catching, thought provoking, or interesting. So they just go through and slap a bunch of random sloppy clips together, throw in a song, and call it good. DBZ and Linkin Park just happen to be current mainstream media favorites, don't ever make the mistake that there's something wrong with that combination. You could make an absolutely stunning and incredible DBZ/Linkin Park video...however I've yet to see anyone bother to really put in the effort.
>I tried to be humble when I got my award at AX (I hope I succeeded),
>but just as there are poor losers, there are also poor winners. I
>don't hold it against them to want to brag a little bit... but yeah,
>some can be excessive.
I think that a couple of my videos probably could win an award or two if I bothered to enter them, but my standards are high enough that I know I can do far better than I have so far, and until I reach the true pinnacle of my abilities I won't bother to enter any contests.
>Tommy Rude is just plain obnoxious, and it seems he goes out of his
>way to piss people off sometimes. I couldn't stand him when I first
>met him at my panel (where he was booing my panelists) and later
>again on the AMV mailing list when he was being a general prick.
Hrmmm...this person sounds like fun, wonder if he's any good at invective sparring. Probably not, a lot of people can fake it alright, but when they try and match wits against someone they usually just fall apart completely (especially in public). I may take a stab at him though sometime, see if he wants to play, he he he... `, D
>When I met Ermac I found him to be quite likable, albeit quick to get
>annoyed. He has my respect as a guy who really knows his shit though.
>Maybe he flaunts that fact it a bit too much, and indeed people do
>have a hard time with people who know that they know more than you.
I can fully understand Ermac's side of things, when you know a LOT about a certain subject, and even if you don't go way outta yer way to brag about it, for some reason you can still manage to piss off 3 or 4 dozen people. I guess it's a matter of jealousy, but I can't say that for certain. It might also be you just make a convenient target for some people to project on. I mean I've been in groups where a person will start a thread and straight out ask me a question, which I'll just then plainly answer, and then suddenly 3 or 4 other people will respond to me with third grade level insults and other childish behavior like I'm some kinda 9th level braggart. o_O
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Few things I wanna clear up before this thread gets axed.
XStylus: Nah, I don' go outta my way to piss off anyone, it jus comes naturally. Scary thought, huh?
Mad Hatter: Any time
1) No I'm not the only person who dislikes ermac. Granted the majority seems to love him, but I know a few others who share my opinions of the AMV Antichrist.
2) Why do I dislike ermac? 2 reasons. One, I dislike his style which is overly simplistic. Is' the kinda stuff that looks pretty good but doesn' take a whole lotta effort an' I think that kinda stuff shouldn' be held higher than the work of editors who bust their asses to make stuff that no one seems to notice. Second, is' a known fact I dislike bullsh*t. How does this affect my opinion of ermac? He's tried to explain on several occasions the 'story' of Soul of an Angel. Nuh-uh. Sorry all, I've SEEN SoaA. If there's supposed to be a story, ermac left it in his head an' forgot to put it in the video. Is' more or less jus' a bunch of random scenes wit' flashing effects.
Oh yeah, I was kinda put off by the fact that he tried to say another video using Shine, set to Escaflone, was a rip-off of SoaA. As if he has exclusive rights to the damn song. That was a DAMN egotistical remark to make, matched only by what I saw when I got home from AX an' dropped the DVD I bought from Brad Demoss into the player where I had the honor of seeing him make an ass outta HIMSELF by claiming Disney had ripped off a Princess Mononoke vid he made because they made a Pearl Harbor trailer using a clip from the same song as him.
Is there a problem wit the attitudes of AMV creators?
You bet.
Am I part of it?
Possibly. Granted I'm not the most pleasant person in the world, but I think I'm more of a symptom than a cause. If there was no bullsh*t an' politics where there shouldn' be, then people like me would shut the hell up.
I'm only the bad guy because the majority says I am. But at one time the majority thought Hitler was a great man, so whas' that say about popular opinion?
XStylus: Nah, I don' go outta my way to piss off anyone, it jus comes naturally. Scary thought, huh?
Mad Hatter: Any time
1) No I'm not the only person who dislikes ermac. Granted the majority seems to love him, but I know a few others who share my opinions of the AMV Antichrist.
2) Why do I dislike ermac? 2 reasons. One, I dislike his style which is overly simplistic. Is' the kinda stuff that looks pretty good but doesn' take a whole lotta effort an' I think that kinda stuff shouldn' be held higher than the work of editors who bust their asses to make stuff that no one seems to notice. Second, is' a known fact I dislike bullsh*t. How does this affect my opinion of ermac? He's tried to explain on several occasions the 'story' of Soul of an Angel. Nuh-uh. Sorry all, I've SEEN SoaA. If there's supposed to be a story, ermac left it in his head an' forgot to put it in the video. Is' more or less jus' a bunch of random scenes wit' flashing effects.
Oh yeah, I was kinda put off by the fact that he tried to say another video using Shine, set to Escaflone, was a rip-off of SoaA. As if he has exclusive rights to the damn song. That was a DAMN egotistical remark to make, matched only by what I saw when I got home from AX an' dropped the DVD I bought from Brad Demoss into the player where I had the honor of seeing him make an ass outta HIMSELF by claiming Disney had ripped off a Princess Mononoke vid he made because they made a Pearl Harbor trailer using a clip from the same song as him.
Is there a problem wit the attitudes of AMV creators?
You bet.
Am I part of it?
Possibly. Granted I'm not the most pleasant person in the world, but I think I'm more of a symptom than a cause. If there was no bullsh*t an' politics where there shouldn' be, then people like me would shut the hell up.
I'm only the bad guy because the majority says I am. But at one time the majority thought Hitler was a great man, so whas' that say about popular opinion?