When should a newbie no longer be called a newbie?

Insight · Post by **Insight** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:15 pm

FirestormXIII wrote:When they stop worrying whether they're a n00b or not anymore

I dunno. Some people get really self-conscious, some people don't care.
And to some extent, I've realized, what I said could be unapplicable. I've never made a AMV myself, but a friend's pressuring me to do so. I'm gonna try and do something original, yet should I succeed in this, I would certainly still classify myself as a newbie.
Dang. I hate to sound like I'm proving my anti-Relativism quote wrong. Still, there are some things that have no set answer. I think this is one of them. I think it does come down to exactly what you said, Stryker... one person's pro is another's newbie. I guess when the general majority feels a certain way?

Hmmm.

Nappy · Post by **Nappy** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:22 pm

how about, when you stop asking basic (how to) questions and start answering them.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 9:35 pm

Sub0 : And when would that be ? what is that moment or criteria that the creator earns it? That is what I am asking, and I'll always make myself look like a idiot. That's just one of my special skills.

FirestormXIII: It's not that I worry about it, I just ponder it from time to time, like all of life's little questions. Perhaps it all revolves around the fact that I'm never happy with my end product, no matter the quailty of it, even to other people. Always seeing my best as inferior to all that I have seen. Oh well , it's that little thing that keeps driving me to work harder on my vids.

Insight : Once again, a good point. and I'm self-conscious every now and then, it's the whole reason that this thread got started.

Nappy: very good answer, but even a pro might ask a how-to question to another. may not be basic , but still a question. So I belive that there is more to it.

Perhaps I'm trying to hard to find reason and rhyme to this? *shrugs*...Don't know, but I need to call it a night before this thread causes me lack of sleep

Thanx for all the thoughts on this thread

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:18 pm

No longer noob

1. When you start to (or are at least able to) answer questions that people who are new to the whole AMV thing ask

2. Make at least one vid, perferably more

3. The Vids weren't total and utter crap

i.e. don't get all lower than 3's on reviews

Pro

1. Can answer and help troubleshoot almost any question about video settings and editing.

2. Can't be judged on # of vids

3. People refere to their vids as if the creator was a god

and use them to set the standards for what a really good video should look like.

P.S. this is not thought out, I just typed it up as it came to me.

Has to meet all criteria though, someone may not be a "pro" but with creative ablility they can create really awsome videos with effort.

Sub0 · Post by **Sub0** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:28 pm

I have a sig in another forum that says 'only maniacs (insert noobs, teachers here) expect answers to questions'. The difference btwn a noob asking a question and a pro asking is that the noob thinks he deserves to be answered while a pro can get along by himself, an answer would just speed things up hes not gonna complain about it (bump) or demand an answer. There's nothing more annoying than a noob. Then again I am one of those ppl that don't give a sh@t (therefore don't ask 'asl'-type questions)

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But your question is about newbs... I don't beleive in them ;-p. A person could have 1 post and be more pro than the guy that started the board. (not in this case of coarse ;-p)

</incredibly deep rant>

Insight · Post by **Insight** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:37 pm

But which kind of Newbie are we discussing?
The kind that has just recently come to the board?
The kind that has just recently begun making videos?
Or the kind that has only just recently gotten into anime, having progressed no further than the likes of Pokemon, or DBZ, or Sailor Moon?

((Not that I have anything against those animes, per se...I'm just saying, those are usually the "springboards" of American fans. It gets them into anime, and then they go on to search even more. Someone who's knowledge of anime is limited to those three...well...is very limited indeed.))

As for the first one (about just joining), I'd tend to agree. I can think of a few examples of the case when a newbie is someone who's been at a certain board for years, and a pro is someone who just got there yesterday. [I speak of a different board then this (Excelsis, specifically), but I won't name names. n_n;;]

As for making videos, well, a "pro-newbie" I'd find rarer...though a "newbie-pro" probably a bit easier to find. People can be just naturals at making music videos...still, the making of them seems like it'd be something of a "skill" that's acquired with effort and experience. Of course, some people never progress...::shrugs:: At any rate, having never made one myself, my speculations in this area shouldn't proceed much furthur.

As for the last one...well, once they stop trying to justify Dragon Ball Z as having an actual deep and creative thought...then that's at least a step.
::ducks behind a table to avoid the tomatoes:: But I do like DBZ!

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:54 pm

Depends on what its noobdom of. AMV creating? Anime? Video in general?
There are different 'noob' and 'pro' stages of each. But each also affect the other. Someone could make a technically and artistically perfect Sailor Moon video and be a n00b because their anime experience is SM and DBZ (god willing).
A person can make a bad AMV but have 235 anime DVDs and double that number of XviD backups and be a n00b.
A person can make a great AMV with the most diverse amount of source footage in the world and it could be an interlaced mess with some weird resolution like 312 x 466 and be encoded in wmv8 and they're a n00b.
Depends on how much experience you have with anime, with video, and creativity. But creativity (in the context of how good amv ideas are) is really very hard to measure, so generally we use # of videos created or at least # of experiences editing as a watermark.
I was a n00b last november when I had made 1 music video with tenchi, sailor moon, and eva sources using sony's movieshaker.
Now i've made about 4 videos, could write a 20 page paper on the difference between rgb, yuy2 and yuy12, and have an anime collection that fills a bookshelf.
A year ago I was a n00b
now I'm not

at least thats my opinion :/

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 10:55 pm

curse you insight and your posting before me >:O
good points ;O

Insight · Post by **Insight** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:08 pm

::grins:: Gomen nasai?

Arigatou Gozaimas', though!

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:13 pm

I'm in the "the better question is, who cares?" camp...