Could real music videos be any more badly edited?

RatQuiRit · Post by **RatQuiRit** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:28 pm

LivingFlame · Post by **LivingFlame** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:41 pm

RatQuiRit wrote:Polysics videos are awesome

Not entirely sure what I just watched or if I even enjoyed it...but for the life of me, I couldn't take my eyes off it. o.O

Megamom · Post by **Megamom** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:31 pm

RatQuiRit wrote:Polysics videos are awesome

POLYSICS - Tei! Tei! Tei!

jimraymorris · Post by **jimraymorris** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:17 pm

what you perceive as "bad editing" is actually much harder to do than what you think is "good editing" you've got your facts mixed up. There's a reason people get paid to do what they do.

NS · Post by NS » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:21 pm

jimraymorris wrote:what you perceive as "bad editing" is actually much harder to do than what you think is "good editing" you've got your facts mixed up. There's a reason people get paid to do what they do.

Because some employers are stupid and blind?

anime wardrone · Post by **anime wardrone** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:54 pm

theres a reason i like amvs and that would be the reason why many mvs are done 1000x worse than a dbz linkin park amv -_-

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:05 pm

jimraymorris wrote:what you perceive as "bad editing" is actually much harder to do than what you think is "good editing" you've got your facts mixed up. There's a reason people get paid to do what they do.

Your belief that rich idiots are not really rich idiots, is why someone coined the phrase a fool and their money are soon parted.

The real facts are that the creators of the average amv, for whatever reason they created them the way they created them, is evidence that the music industry is obviously missing out on tapping a lot of under exploited talent and settling for crap videos made by over rated technicians.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:45 pm

Okay, guys:

I must disagree with the contention that professional work is harder (or easier). It's just different.

I must disagree with Douggie in that I feel there is nothing wrong with the rules we apply to AMVs or the Vidding. Real music videos, for the most part, simply don't have the same agenda. Commercials, TV, movies. You really can't compare any of these to each other, let alone AMVs.

I have worked on real music videos (although as only a minor staffer), as well as politicial commercials, independent films, and broadcast television. I have to compartmentalize. Early in my professional editing, I had a tendency to bring my AMV rules with me into the production studio. What I ended up with was broadcast instructors who informed my editing was "too rubbery," that I essentially was not giving the viewer enough time to take in scenes. You don't need very many cuts at all for a news story or or a political ad. Go too fast and you lose the viewer. And pretty effects are pretty much silly for most pro applications.

When it comes to music videos in the MTV sense, the idea there is, as has been previously mentioned, create an advertisement for the song, the album, and the band's brand. The rules we follow don't work so much for a video with a commercial agenda. The best music videos I've ever seen are music videos where the bands didn't even appear. Guess how famous they are now?

I know that when I shows some of my broadcast peers amvs from myself and others, often the first response was "how did you do X?" The truth is, our editing rules, are not taught, and the effects and standards we use, while technically available, are not seen with the same perception. It would never occur to a traditional RTF student to make a composition with those elements stacked in the same way we do. If they could even recognize it was possible.

On the other hand I do see Douggie's point that editors don't seem to be able to make compositions that the RTF student will know how to make, unless like the four or so of us here, happen to be or have been RTF students to begin with... But I'll be blunt. If I made a music video going by RTF unspoken and spoken rules, I don't believe it would be understood.

Unlimited Rice · Post by **Unlimited Rice** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:56 pm

I dunno if this is weird to say or not, but when I was editing my 5 Centimeters per Second video, my thought process was basically, "What would the editor(s?) of a real music video do here?" Of course, the editing was still me, but thinking and watching real music videos had influences throughout my video, or something along those lines(Ironically, I hadn't seen the the real music video for Fort Minor's "Where'd You Go" until sometime after I finished the AMV).

But yeah, watching out for the editing of real music videos never really crossed my mind. It never really was important enough for me to go, "Wow, I just can't stand the editing in this music video." It just seems really pointless for me to think about it, I guess.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:37 pm

RatQuiRit wrote:Polysics videos are awesome

Ug - the quality on those leaves so much to be desired. I actually bought "Clips or Die" to do a video to I My Me Mine... gotta spend a lot more time in blender or poser before I feel comfortable with my idea though.