Is AMV-making considered an art form?

[DarkInsight]

In my humble opinion you all are myopic shallow ADD children with brain damage. When given a topic that has the potential of thought provoking intelligent discussion everyone immediately post shallow vapid thoughts that in comparison makes 13 year old girls talking about if canadian is a language appear like towering intellects. Then, like magpies distracted by christmas tinsel, you pick up on the most moronic of side comments and focus on that like it was at all relevant or interesting. Any thread that is four pages long has lasted at least three pages longer than the actual discussion of the topic. The reason the art topic never goes anywhere is that none of you have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about. When you think DBZ is the height of a story conveying subtle emotions and you believe Rich Little is the worlds most renown impressionist then maybe the art topic isn't something you should take part in. I do have to confess I am rather surprised any of you picked up on the arrogance loaded in the phrase 'my two cents' though. I've always assumed everyone here was too busy jacking off to drawings of four year olds fucking to pick up on subtext. Hell, I've always figured it was 50/50 that readers of my curse filled rants realized that yes, I actually am talking about them. Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, malodorous, perverts.

Just my two cents.

lol, I'm glad you took the time to join us in our little deviation from the topic. It's funny that the drawn out melodramatic comment about how we can't stay on topic is longer then any of your comments on the actual topic itself. understandable though, It is easier to judge and chastise others then it is to participate in actual intellectual discussion. Then again you could just be like me. I do admit, my mind does tend to wonder from topic to topic. Of course to you that must be my ADD. lol, I should get some Ritalin or something for that. anyway, my real concern with your comment was the "coffee-nosed" part. I believe you meant to say "toffee-nosed" if you are trying to quote Monty python correctly.

Oh well, that was fun but back to topic

Me like AMVs. AMVs be Art

[Nya-chan Production]

Me like AMVs. AMVs be Art

Well, I can agree with you there :)

[godix]

lol, I'm glad you took the time to join us in our little deviation from the topic. It's funny that the drawn out melodramatic comment about how we can't stay on topic is longer then any of your comments on the actual topic itself.

I won't discuss philosophy with inexperienced children, I won't discuss politics with the mindlessly partisan, and I won't discuss art with uneducated morons. I have yet to see any sign that an intelligent conversation is even possible on the org so kiddie rape jokes are far more appropriate around here.

I believe you meant to say "toffee-nosed" if you are trying to quote Monty python correctly.

Yeah, I misremembered the quote. Whoops.

[Sephiroth]

Well then Give the Antichrist a cigarette

[dazza1008]

Wow - I disappear for a few because my internet is speed-limited and I'm pretty shocked the topic is still going. :0 And I can't watch those YT videos yet with the links you've given! ;_;

Anyway, I wasn't raising this topic to determine whether AMVs are art or not - I wanted to know whether you felt you were AMV artists. Because, as long as there's agreement about the facts regarding the piece (e.g. sparkles dumped on a page by a kid), I'm OK with people having different opinions on whether it's classified as art. Truth is relative. No hive minds around here! XD

So, what does it mean to be an artist? It's a bit hard to explain, but if you considered yourself one or for AMVs to be an art form, that classification would affect your behaviour. Like you feel attached to creating AMVs as a preferable hobby, it's not something where you create one and you can drop AMV-making at any time and it's not a big deal, you take pride in your work, are meticulous, etc. And even maybe fitting the "starving artist" stereotype? (or missing out on sleep to create AMVs would be one) Living the artist's lifestyle! XD
(and btw I think AMV-making should be classified as a hobby, since people shouldn't be making money from it, right? >.> ... but I don't know what prizes there are in comps, but whatever. Good luck if you're surviving solely off that, if they are monetary. You can play off people's sympathies and say "I don't get to eat for the next 6 months unless I win" ... but I digress. >.> )

Anyway, it was interesting to see what people looked for when classifying it as art - such as looking at the amount of human input, comparing AMVs to other art where stock is used, the intentions of the editor, whether it needs to be good quality or not, how meaningful the message is...

If prints of Marilyn Monroe and Campbell soup cans are considered art, then AMVs are definitely art.

Actually, I'd heard that the artist was successfully sued over that. (but still would be art, regardless of the nature of the stock images)

Then again, I could shit on a hotdog and call that "art" so it doesn't count for much.

And my Mum said that in the 60's, someone pissed on a drum and recorded it, and it was considered music.

Why the hell do we constantly return to this topic like it has any relevance at all? If you enjoy AMVs does it matter if it's art or not?

Anyway, I consider art to be pretty much anything humans do that is not motivated or required for survival. Painting, dancing, pissing your name in the snow, AMVs, whatever.

You mean like one should do forum posts to piss off others, not to be classified as a 'prick', but for the enjoyment of it?

I didn't want to confuse motivation for creating AMVs with someone's perception on their creation (unless you think I'd get all pissy if someone refused to acknowledge it as art, and stop making them... not that you'd care! ;_; )

And it sounds like you'd have enjoyed that shitty South Park game for the N64. :/

I have a lot to say on this, but Jay summed it up too well.

Damn it, guys, stop using your first names!

Art is the process or product of

...(etc.)
Er, did you write all that yourself? ^^;
Well, darn, we're screwed if anyone's a realist... since they wouldn't be considering anime an art form, since it's very stylized.
I'd say AMVs are closest to the non-motivated "expression of the imagination" (assuming one would be inspired to create even if there wasn't an audience for it) and motivated "entertainment".... maybe also the "ritualistic and symbolic functions" at Anime conventions. :/ But it could be practically any motivation, really.
*gasp* it was Wikipedia!!! (I didn't want to be rude, just in case you did write it! XD Hey, I don't know what you do.)

you suck and i dont like you

That's the spirit

I'm actually doing a paper on this very topic =O, interesting. But I believe AMVs are works of art. After all if an editor's showreel is considered art then the stuff we make would also fall into that category =P

Really? How? For which subject? (is it a general "what is art?" or AMV-related? )

and arguing for something as wishy-washy as 'transcendent' is a pretty futile exercise anyway

Transcend you! D:<

This entire thread is art. Prove me wrong.

Er, since truth is relative, one may have the opinion that this thread is not art (disregarding the pics linked ) and therefore be correct.

Thanks to people who pointed out the subjective/relative nature of OPINIONS/interpretations. My two cents.

Also, I start to hate that hypocritic phrase "just my two cents", what I actually read is "Well, that's my opinion, it's right and you can go die in a fire for I don't care about you at all".

Maybe it could be stated differently, but at least it enforces that it is someone's personal opinion. If stated without something like that, people could interpret it as "you should think that way too" hence the 'philosophical' debate that ensues. Here's two cents... rounded down. (er, in Australia, we got rid of one and two cent pieces. Smallest is 5cents now. THE MOAR YOU KNOW!!!)

In my humble opinion you all are myopic shallow ADD children with brain damage. When given a topic that has the potential of thought provoking intelligent discussion everyone immediately post shallow vapid thoughts that in comparison makes 13 year old girls talking about if canadian is a language appear like towering intellects. Then, like magpies distracted by christmas tinsel, you pick up on the most moronic of side comments and focus on that like it was at all relevant or interesting. Any thread that is four pages long has lasted at least three pages longer than the actual discussion of the topic. The reason the art topic never goes anywhere is that none of you have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about. When you think DBZ is the height of a story conveying subtle emotions and you believe Rich Little is the worlds most renown impressionist then maybe the art topic isn't something you should take part in. I do have to confess I am rather surprised any of you picked up on the arrogance loaded in the phrase 'my two cents' though. I've always assumed everyone here was too busy jacking off to drawings of four year olds fucking to pick up on subtext. Hell, I've always figured it was 50/50 that readers of my curse filled rants realized that yes, I actually am talking about them. Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, malodorous, perverts.

Just my two cents.

Yay! Godix for most.... God-like (at least in the Judeo-Christian perspective)
And the term is "mis-spoke" - learn it if you want to get into politics.



LOL U GAISSSSS....

[guy07]

It's threads like this that remind me how useless general amv is. OT is MUCH more productive than this.

[piedpiper]

To define the spectrum of what can be called art is quite ridiculous. Mainly because it involves bringing about emotions in others that are so personal, only a few possess the vocabulary and capacity to express it accurately. It's impossible to generalize because the reaction is so specific to every one that experiences it.

I do consider AMV making an art form. We have some very creative and inspiring videos out there. I doubt this website would have had such dedicated members had it just been a technical subject.

That being said, I think one of the reasons many people don't consider AMV making such a big deal is that they usually aren't aware of the commitment it takes to produce a great AMV. A reason being that a lot of the time, the subtler effects we gawk at are mistaken as part of the original footage by those unfamiliar with AMVs.

[hasteroth]

It's an art form in my opinion. It combines anime, music and film editing which are all considered art forms.

[guardiansoulblade]

Dictionary Defines Art as: The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Anime is an art because it takes time to draw and anime and write the script and produce it.

Music is art because it takes time to write and produce

Anime Music Videos is an art form because it takes time to put together, but to say it's an "art" per se is kind of hard to put down, 'cause we all know there are horrific AMVs out there for every good one.

[The Origonal Head Hunter]

Dictionary Defines Art as: The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Anime is an art because it takes time to draw and anime and write the script and produce it.

Music is art because it takes time to write and produce

Anime Music Videos is an art form because it takes time to put together, but to say it's an "art" per se is kind of hard to put down, 'cause we all know there are horrific AMVs out there for every good one.

Your definition doesn't match the one you give for the dictionary.

By your definition, that shit I took this morning is art because of how long it took.

By the dictionary definition, that shit would only be art if it were a cut above average in some way (more than likely by size). Then again, we can all agree that shit is not art because it isn't beautiful or aesthetic.