Where is our world going?

[Enigma]

I support this thread :up , But even so.Without the BewbTube i'd never find this site

[Bauzi]

—and ending with what I'm gonna go ahead and say is the utterly frivolas and batshit insane censoring of the word <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/v ... ochsack</a>. I'm aware of the fact our owner hates the tube, disregarding the fact that Phade seems to have jack shit to do with the org except for processing donations. If a newbie comes in with YT background, darn straight he's going to get trolled to hell and back. We only accept people if they fall completely in line with the rest of the community. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have them conform to us, but we take it way, Way, Way too far.

Our membership rate decreases by almost half every year. We're going to die, and in the end it's going to be because we've isolated ourselves from hundreds if not thousands of possible new editors and told every newbie who wasn't assimilated to our community to fuck right off.

Not to talk in generalizations or anything.

There is a true point, but this is only about some editors and it should be consider, but I don't think that this are the majority of possible new org-editors and users. There really lies potential for the .org.

Imagine: AMVs and accounts on YT get stomped everyday, but there is a place on the internet that let them host any amv they want (excluding hentai, Evancescene... blah blah you know what I mean). There lies the REAL potential for getting new editors if you ask me.

I don't see a reason why to keep the org that limited in accessibility. Why can't anybody come on a video-infopage and watch a video without registration? Why for?

Some steps to make the org more attractive:
-Let anybody watch/download amvs
-Make videos more easiert to upload
-Work on the site's usability: New better navigation

Things that could be copied from streaming sites (which sometimes go to far if you ask me):
-Profile comments
-Friendlists
-user generated designs for their profile- and videoinfopages
-public video comments
-better favsystem (I don't fav videos anymore here, because I don't care about a personal Top list which just consumes time to generate)
-star ratings on the videoinfopage (this really goes too far for example)
-more public statistics in profiles (country-flag, total amount of videos watched/downloaded,...)

eh... >_> I think we should more take care about issues with viewing and uploading of videos when I look at that list. All these things would be too radical changes. yuk

[Qyot27]

I think one of the problems here is the issue of perception of what the community is or was. If 2004-2006 was a peak, those members who joined and/or started with the hobby during that period want to recapture it, because for them, that's the way they feel it should be. Myself, I see the peak as being from approximately 2000-2005, give or take (I didn't use the forum for about a year and half after I joined in mid-2002, but much of what drew me to the site in the first place were the classic videos that circulated on iMesh and Morpheus and Kazaa back then).

If you were to ask Vlad or any of the other members that were around in the hobby during the 80s and 90s, the perception of when peaks occurred will be different (and in terms of that, with a hobby spanning such an amount of time, there's going to be high points and low points, and each one is often different in the way it's expressed).

Honestly, and I don't mean this to be disparaging, but I think the push to draw in 'tubers or to soften the way the Org is seen to lure them here is something only really desired by those that joined in the high period during the middle of the decade, after AMV Hell got so wildly popular, there was an explosion of technically-proficient videos being posted here, and there was a relatively large amount of high-profile editors managing contests and MEPs within the community (the big MEP boom, the birth of Iron Chef/Editor competitions, etc.). That group was generally more open to the tube, whether they started there or not. The editors that were present before all that viewed the attention the tube was getting as possibly detrimental, as it took the hobby to center stage, and for a group that historically preferred to remain under-the-radar, that was a bad thing (as the whole Wind-Up incident proved). They also didn't see that kind of popularity as a necessity, as it wasn't there for the first 4½ to 5 years of the site's existence, and that tinted their ideas of the site.

It also had to do with the fact that sure, the Org has crappy videos a-plenty, but actual relevant discussion of the videos was what the forum was for (as Opinions are not really set up for that) - and the forum has overall higher standards and a more critique-happy userbase. On the tube, the video's comments area was open for free discussion, and the older editors on here, rightly or not, saw it as only lending itself toward massive ego-stroking, especially since comments the video poster didn't like could get deleted and then act as if they didn't exist (rampant abuses like people cutting off video bumpers and passing off well-known AMVs as their own creations also didn't help the perception). The relative ease of which one can go on the tube and find crappy content is also one of the reasons AMV making itself has gotten much more maligned in the past few years - as that ANN Answerman segment a month or two ago proved with some of the responses given, or the way the article on TVTropes for FanVid is.

It's a question of culture - the tube allows the culture to form and solidify on every video posted, whereas it's extremely hard on here to engage in the community without using the forum, or IRC (not saying it can't be done, of course, but out in the main catalog users are relatively isolated from one another; the Journal function and buddy system to facilitate notices really being the only vehicles for that there).

Frankly, as long as members of the Org's community are still heading up AMV rooms and contests and events at the big-name national conventions, I don't think it can die. The site will change with time, but there's still going to be a core userbase that refuses to leave. It's that which creates the community, not the popularity it receives. We had our moment in the sun, for several years we were considered the standard-bearer of the hobby, and whether we have passed that torch onto the tube or we now look and act more like the Academy I don't know, and honestly, I don't really care.

[Kitsuner]

I think we should more take care about issues with viewing and uploading of videos when I look at that list. All these things would be too radical changes. yuk

One of the big reasons we don't already have a lot of the same features boochsack does is because while boochsack has paid employees to keep things running, a-m-v.org is staffed entirely by volunteers. There's only so much that a person can do in their spare time.

[Otohiko]

I think the problem comes not from the reality of things, but from expectations, including perhaps on the .org's and its community's part. The fact is that the .org originally came from a relatively small (though by no means closed) circle - the North American con scene and the events and people revolving in it. It then decided that its scene was not a small circle, but a very big one - namely the world. For some time (2003-2006), it was succeeding in this. However things have changed. The .org didn't get smaller - its the AMVing world that got bigger. International presence and competing models of video-sharing came up, and the .org has started responding them far too late.

A lot of people have blamed "cliques" and the "Inner Circle" for being self-defeating to the hobby generally and the .org specifically. These are by no means innocent, but in fact the "Inner Circle" is about the size of the community that the .org originally began with in the late 90s, and far more diverse - we're now well past being simply North American, although a lot of the dedicated .orgsters' life still revolves around the North American con scene. Looking at core participation, the .org is every bit as healthy and probably healthier than it was at any point.

The problem is peripheral participation, the "silent majority" and newcomers. In 2003, the .org's model was innovative and excelled at attracting them - and through them, sustaining the .org financially. In 2009, unfortunately, the .org's model cannot retain them. It's not failing at all, but it's not exactly succeeding. The real threat to the .org now is that we can't get peripheral participation back up.

The future is simple: option 1 is that the .org adjusts the way it does things and finds a "magic formula" that will draw peripheral and win at a) making or proving its video sharing model more attractive; b) drawing a more representative, international AMVing scene and its events. We have as much to learn from youtube as we do from amvnews.ru - IF what we really want is to be the world's AMVing hub, with hosting to boot. Option 2 is that the .org restructures the other way and realizes that it is a smaller and tighter scene than it thinks it is. A lot of good things will be lost that way, but the community will remain.

Honestly, AMVing and the scene around it are good enough that I have faith that the .org will always exist in some form as long as we have anime, music and the internet. It may not be this .org, but even 10 or 20 years from now there will still be a place for AMVers across the world to get together, share/find AMVs, and have gay sex discussions and make friends with each other. The .org fills a niche that isn't going away any time soon.

[Neon Edge]

I originally come from the tubes, and if it wasn't for that site I would never have found this one.
I lurked here without an account for several months (to be honest, I was intimidated) and I finally decided to join and make an account here only yesterday.

I decided to come to the org to get help and improve my videos -- something the tube didn't seem to do for me. As a lurker here on the org for several months, I learnt a helluva lot more than on my tube life.

Despite what the common consensus seems on here, I want to improve, I want to be part of the community and I'm going to do that, even if you elitist people don't like me because I was a former Tuber.

[Enigma]

I think we should more take care about issues with viewing and uploading of videos when I look at that list. All these things would be too radical changes. yuk

One of the big reasons we don't already have a lot of the same features boochsack does is because while boochsack has paid employees to keep things running, a-m-v.org is staffed entirely by volunteers. There's only so much that a person can do in their spare time.

[Enigma]

I think we should more take care about issues with viewing and uploading of videos when I look at that list. All these things would be too radical changes. yuk

One of the big reasons we don't already have a lot of the same features boochsack does is because while boochsack has paid employees to keep things running, a-m-v.org is staffed entirely by volunteers. There's only so much that a person can do in their spare time.

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[Bauzi]

I think we should more take care about issues with viewing and uploading of videos when I look at that list. All these things would be too radical changes. yuk

One of the big reasons we don't already have a lot of the same features boochsack does is because while boochsack has paid employees to keep things running, a-m-v.org is staffed entirely by volunteers. There's only so much that a person can do in their spare time.

Of course I know it, but I can't think of a reason why video downloads and streaming for everybody could be a big technical challenge


You see this? This user Neon Edge? I think he his a new user! Go get him and don't let him get away!!!! O_O


People who have the will to improve and be part of the community don't have big barriers. Every year I see new user pop up and rise in the com.

[Qyot27]

Despite what the common consensus seems on here, I want to improve, I want to be part of the community and I'm going to do that, even if you elitist people don't like me because I was a former Tuber.

Eh, don't worry about that. I've never seen that kind of thing go on here - we can tell the difference between individuals and the nameless masses. And besides, showing that willingness to improve and participate is about all it takes anyway.