Canadian AMVers

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:02 pm

IratusAngelus wrote:Every great nation has to fall at some point. The Roman Empire, Great Britain, France...history never lets a nation hold power for too long. The United States' power will wane eventually,

um... the nations you mentioned lost international land. What land has the USA got to lose? Hawaii? Alaska?

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:03 pm

tamashii wrote:
How about those troops you've got in afganistan?

Canada currently has combat forces deployed in Afghanistan as well under Operation Apollo.

tamashii · Post by **tamashii** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:03 pm

I'm not trying to argue with you but I just want to say this

The troops that are still in Afganistan are hunting Osama, they're not attacking the nation, that was never part of the equation. We invaded along with the Northern Alliance in an effort to topple a corrupt and horrid government. I mean, would you RATHER the Taliban still be in power? They were terrible people. They ruled with fear and greed, and I'm not just saying that because the American Media has brainwashed me. I know people who lived there and escaped, and trust me, it was hell. They went through the streets killing and maming as they pleased.

I encourage your efforts to take out the taliban ( I hate them too ), but how many inocent people is it going to take before you finally get rid of them? I mean how are you planning on doing this? I mean its not lilke you can put taliban in one palace and just bomb that. Right? If you're methods of "getting rid of them" are by bombing or other war methods than plenty of innocent people are going to die in the process. And don't give me "peace treaty" crap, because frankly you can't come to reason with people like Osama and the taliban.

As for the funding of the Isrealis, that is our fault. But then again it was the British who first dropped them in there after WW2 and left. They started it, and were it not for our original funding the citizens would've been slaughtered by the Palistinians. However, today is a different story, and in my opinion we should cut funding immediately. But you can't blame America for that war. Hell, Clinton tried to set up a peace treaty for 8 fucking years and neither side would accept. Don't get me wrong, I hate Bush's attitude right now, but the problem mainly is that the two leaders are too damn stubborn. Not to mention the attitudes of the populations.

You see Bush doesn't want the Isreal vs. Palistine war to end at all, because who would he sell his weapons to? I'm not to sure about Iraq but I believe Bush is after oil not "peace."

On a final note, I believe Canada supports military action against Saddam, seeing as your government seems eager to join the effort, go ahead and prove me wrong

I never said we were perfect, but I don't like when the U.S. goes raging on us. That's like a huge form of hipocrasy.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:39 pm

tamashii wrote: I never said we were perfect, but I don't like when the U.S. goes raging on us. That's like a huge form of hipocrasy.

I never bad mouthed Canada, I simply saw you bad mouthing the US, so I decided to argue.

On top of that we already ousted the Taliban, with very reasonable civilian causalties. The Northern Alliance Ground forces moved in while we did our best to bomb only military targets (I know we can't do this perfectly, but what would you have done?). The Taliban ran quickly, and now we've given the nation its old government back. Basically, theres no more need for bombing, the Taliban are hiding in the mountains, and all the UN forces are doing is keeping them there. There aren't any civilian populations in danger that I know of anymore.

What would you have done to get rid of the Taliban?

About the Isreal/Weapons thing. Uhhhhh... I don't think you understand what you're saying. Bush is pushing for the Isrealis to win. If he wanted the damn conflict to do on he'd sell weapons to BOTH sides. That and he's not even selling weapons to the Isrealis, he's giving them "Financial Support". Therefore its actually a finacial sink for the US. Which is one of the main reasons Bush is looking for a quick ending (which he feels will be the defeat of Palistine). I hate that solution. Bush should shut the hell up.

On top of that, about the whole Iraq/Oil thing... We don't NEED their oil. In fact, the Bush adminstration is pushing for the use of only Domestic oil. Why do you think he wants to drill in Alaska? In my opinion its not Bush who's entirely at fault for the Iraq situation. In fact, Condi Rice was the one who came up with the whole plan, and she bothers the hell outta me for doing so.

NME · Post by **NME** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:48 pm

WHao whao I don't think faierie chan intended for this post to become a 3 way cluster hatemongerfuck.

IratusAngelus · Post by **IratusAngelus** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:57 pm

NME wrote:WHao whao I don't think faierie chan intended for this post to become a 3 way cluster hatemongerfuck.

Too true

tamashii · Post by **tamashii** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 5:44 pm

I never bad mouthed Canada, I simply saw you bad mouthing the US, so I decided to argue.

I wasn't talking about you but other people.

Oh and the weapons thingy. Bush doesn't give a dam about who wins, so long as the U.S. can make money out of it. And just because your funding Isreal doesn't mean that you want them to win. And by you I meant to U.S.

tamashii · Post by **tamashii** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 5:45 pm

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tamashii · Post by **tamashii** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 5:47 pm

On top of that, about the whole Iraq/Oil thing... We don't NEED their oil. In fact, the Bush adminstration is pushing for the use of only Domestic oil. Why do you think he wants to drill in Alaska? In my opinion its not Bush who's entirely at fault for the Iraq situation. In fact, Condi Rice was the one who came up with the whole plan, and she bothers the hell outta me for doing so.

Worlds oil supply at current rates will last 30-50 years, so think again because I know you'll need it sooner or later.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Tue Dec 31, 2002 6:28 pm

Hmmm.....The last time I checked we weren't at war with the US

Granted I don't like some of the political policies and decisions the US has made, but that can be said of Canada as well. Generally I really don't have anything againt the US and have many friends there. I

In terms of Canada, I love living in this country and although everyone may think that the culture in Canada and the US are the same, there are quite a few differences between us and that gives both countries something a bit differenet to offer to one another....

Vlad