Stolen AMVS

[slimed]

That level of abstraction is purely in your mind. The individual elements are the finished products of others, used for a new purpose.

"abstraction"? you having recognized the product as a product only further cements the point i'm trying to make.

[slimed]

@irriadin: i don't see how the purpose makes a difference. it is still taking another's work and altering it in one way or another.

[BasharOfTheAges]

That level of abstraction is purely in your mind. The individual elements are the finished products of others, used for a new purpose.

"abstraction"? you having recognized the product as a product only further cements the point i'm trying to make.

The DIFFERENCE between a product like a tube of paint and and a product like a frame of animation is what's in your mind. Someone put effort into creating both. They are both equally a product and abstractly an ingredient. One is not more sacrosanct than the other.

[Corran]

When you sit down and view something, you have an understanding that nobody is claiming to have, themselves, produced the pieces. That's why you have attribution. You do, however, have the expectation they have produced the editing. That's why your name is on it, you added the effort. You did the work. A novelist doesn't need to own a paper mill to write a novel.

I find myself agreeing more than disagreeing here. I guess I'd like to caution that I don't want to people to take what I've said to an extreme. I think we should be rightly annoyed if someone took a significant amount of our video and incorporated it into a new one with hardly any alteration, even if they provide attribution. I think there is a certain point where some semblance of fair use starts to apply when creating a derivative piece such as in Kit's video where he is using small pieces of the videos and contributing a significant amount of editing work of his own. The fact that the entire concept centers around the idea of using other videos certainly helps with making me feel fine about what he's doing.

[serith_moren]

I had plenty of people post my AMVs but I never minded so long as they left the credits. For the most part, people respected that. It was flattering that someone out there wanted to share it.

Of course, I did run into someone who edited the video to add their name. I reached out privately and requested they take it down, but their response was to get their friends to gang up on me. The next step was to contact YouTube, but because I did not own the anime or the music, it could not be done. Only copyright holders have that power. This makes perfect sense ...but unfortunately there is no protection for the editor.

So -needless to say- he got away with it.

Honestly? This killed my passion for creating AMVs for a long, long time. It’s been 6 full years (almost down to the exact date).

But I am starting fresh now; shiny new account to put that motion graphics education to use. I’ve learned from this incident and now watermark the credits right when the song starts – so if someone wants to edit it out, it will at least be a pain in the butt. Hopefully that is enough to discourage them!

[Rider4Z]

The DIFFERENCE between a product like a tube of paint and and a product like a frame of animation is what's in your mind. Someone put effort into creating both. They are both equally a product and abstractly an ingredient. One is not more sacrosanct than the other.

Disagreement here. A tube of paint, a sculpting brick, a copic marker, etc. are tools created (and sold) for the soul purpose of being used to create pieces of art (or professional design to be used commercially). Any and all artistic claims to the production of these tools are moot. Doesn't mean the creators of these tools can't take pride in their design, but if Copic could receive royalties from every manga-ka in Japan they'd be bigger than instant ramen.

This thread took an interesting turn btw.

[Shin-AMV]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cariou_v._Prince

tl;dr:
Cariou claimed Prince's work infringed on his work (photographs) Court ruled that the work was original and transformative despite using Cariou's Photographs and therefore fair use.

tl: dr 2;
Photographs were edited. Edited Photographs were ok cause showed creativity/transformative originality.

other relevant cases would involve derivative works and sweat of the brow/originality thresholds and whatnot.

[slimed]

Prince from the wiki above is the same guy from this: http://boingboing.net/2015/05/22/artist ... hotos.html

it's laughable to say the least. intent without execution

[2012rebal]

i have a question out of curiousity, let's say i came across an amv on youtube, and in the decription, the editor claims that the amv is not finished and the scenes are out of place and It's sync'ed badly. It's a two year old uploaded video and it looks like their yt channel isn't really active, becuase their video is their only upload. Let's say, i liked this amv so much, to the point i have a desire to finish the video, with a few exceptions: i would want to trim the length shorter, but still use the same music and anime, but try to use different scenes that the original editor didn't use and re-edit the video better, and if i wanted to share, should i give partial credit to the original creator and give myself credit for redoing the amv?

[BasharOfTheAges]

i have a question out of curiousity, let's say i came across an amv on youtube, and in the decription, the editor claims that the amv is not finished and the scenes are out of place and It's sync'ed badly. It's a two year old uploaded video and it looks like their yt channel isn't really active, becuase their video is their only upload. Let's say, i liked this amv so much, to the point i have a desire to finish the video, with a few exceptions: i would want to trim the length shorter, but still use the same music and anime, but try to use different scenes that the original editor didn't use and re-edit the video better, and if i wanted to share, should i give partial credit to the original creator and give myself credit for redoing the amv?

If you can watch a video and the sum-total of the entire thing (to you) is just the combination of anime and music, then you're either completely missing the core idea of it, or calling your proposal a "remake" is overly generous.