RIAA attack the org?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:01 am

Wouldn't it be "losing money". Last time I checked, donation levels weren't high enough to support the GD independent of outside monetary aid.

XenoDrake · Post by **XenoDrake** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:08 am

ok, so are we suposed to keep the donation level JUST under the "making money" line so as we can keep safe from the RIAAs lawsuits? then we undermine the DGs reason for being. as soon as the donation status goes into the green, the org is making money off pirated music, and distroing it for free. hhhhmmmmmmm, i dont think the RIAA will just sit their and take that. so in one hand we can be moral, and lose the hosting, or in the other hand, we can break the law and get the hosting, but take the chance of the org coming under attack.......

i really dont like the RIAA =\

still, what do we do about it? we all want to sit here and bitch about it, so lets DO something.

~XenoDrake

DanManXYZ · Post by **DanManXYZ** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:20 am

I sincerely wish there was a way to ensure the org's safety. But to tell you the truth I really can't think of anything practical....

But I'll certainly be praying the org never dies, I love amv's too much.

Deaths_ally · Post by **Deaths_ally** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:24 am

koronoru wrote:
Deaths_ally wrote:I don't think they would try the org personally.
the risk would be too high.
What would the RIAA be risking by suing the org? All they could possibly lose from such an action would be public goodwill, and they've already demonstrated how much they value that, by other lawsuits in which they've sacrificed way more goodwill.

I'm thinking of the posible backlash from them shutting the site down.

I for one would call for blood if phade was forced to close the site by the likes of the RIAA...

XenoDrake · Post by **XenoDrake** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:27 am

Deaths_ally wrote:I for one would call for blood if phade was forced to close the site by the likes of the RIAA...

same

~XenoDrake

Animnex · Post by **Animnex** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:35 pm

you could call for blood or whatever you want, but if they decide they want to shut the org down, noone could do anything, its the law, and theres nothing anyone can do about it, just make sure that never happens.

koronoru · Post by **koronoru** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:05 pm

Deaths_ally wrote:I'm thinking of the posible backlash from them shutting the site down.

I for one would call for blood if phade was forced to close the site by the likes of the RIAA...

That backlash should be happening, and you should be "calling for blood", now; before there's a lawsuit affecting the org, not after it. The bad effects of irrational copyright laws are already here. They're not in some indefinite potential future. Everyone who cares about this ought to do as many as possible of the following:

Learn the facts about what copyright law does and does not forbid.
Stop paying for RIAA music - preferably by not listening to it, not just by getting it for free.
Stop paying for MPAA movies - preferably by not watching them, not just by getting them for free.
Write (on paper sent by snail-mail) to the people who create the movies and music you would otherwise pay for, explaining that you are boycotting the RIAA and MPAA and why.
Write (on paper sent by snail-mail) to your elected representatives explaining what's wrong with current copyright laws, what would be worse about expanded copyright laws, and how important it is to relax copyright.
Find out which politicians are willing to defend your rights. Vote for them.
Give money to anyone who's producing artistic content you like in a way that respects your rights. For instance, attend live concerts of local unsigned musicians, and watch independant films. You may find that you're watching and listening to more enjoyable movies and music under this policy anyway.
Give money to organizations that are lobbying for your rights - such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Convince others to do these things.

You will note that actions like "sign an electronic petition on the Web" are not on the above list. That's because they don't work. You'll also note that all the actions on the above list require some effort on your part. Ask yourself how important it is to you. It's important enough to me that I'm doing them all to at least some significant degree. Your commitment level may be different - but if 1% of the population each did one thing off that list, you bet it would make some waves.

*wipes foam from mouth*

benjamingeiger · Post by **benjamingeiger** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:17 pm

The way I see it (and I am not boring enough to be a lawyer) is that an AMV is a derivative work of both the anime and the music. As such, it depends on the legal status of derivative works.

So, my question is: are song remixes legal? What is the difference, legally speaking, between a remix and an AMV?

Someone with more legal expertise than me (that is, someone with *any* legal expertise), please comment...

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:52 pm

XenoDrake wrote: i really dont like the RIAA =\

news flash ... not very many people do.

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TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:02 am

benjamingeiger wrote:The way I see it (and I am not boring enough to be a lawyer) is that an AMV is a derivative work of both the anime and the music. As such, it depends on the legal status of derivative works.

So, my question is: are song remixes legal? What is the difference, legally speaking, between a remix and an AMV?

Someone with more legal expertise than me (that is, someone with *any* legal expertise), please comment...

You might find an answer in this paper - but you'll have to dig deep. In fact, anyone interested in knowing the history of how the media-rights issue got into this current mess...read the first several pages of this (long) paper.
Untangling the Web of Music Copyrights

A look into the future of file sharing can be found in this blog entry: File-sharing Goes Social.

This quote was interesting:

...As Andrew Odlyzko has pointed out, sending disks through the mail can move enough bits in a 24 hour period to qualify as broadband, and there are now file-sharing networks whose members simply snail mail one another mountable drives of music. ...

Pass the hard drive, please.