Lyric-synch

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:50 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:Who is talking about lip synch?

Oh, I sorta Glanced at the thread.

Sorry... but anyway, I make a good point.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:54 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
x_rex30 wrote:Theres plenty of examples of good videos that have no sort of focus on lip syncs. It all boils down to what you see as working since your the one making the video, and not someone else. Here's a few examples.
Stop Talking, Spider Dweller, Flash Before Your Eyes, Fire!!, My Reason
I say there really good, and there really isn't any focus on lip sync. Your video could turn out good either way, so you make the final choice. Forget what others think and focus on what really matters to you.
Who is talking about lip synch?

Du Hast?

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:57 pm

x_rex30 wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote:Who is talking about lip synch?
Oh, I sorta Glanced at the thread. Sorry... but anyway, I make a good point.

Heh, yeah, a point that didn't need to be made. Good work. ;p

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:09 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Heh, yeah, a point that didn't need to be made. Good work. ;p

Ah shit, well whatever. I made a mistake, now so what. Lets see accurate you are when you work 100+ hours a week.

OtakuForLife · Post by **OtakuForLife** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:45 am

Yeah, for me lyric snyc comes first, before I do any-editing at-all.
I make sure the song and the Anime fit well together then
we see what happens lyrically speaking. Then comes the beat cutting (the hightened pulse of the video), then the messy nitpicky clean up
and wamm!! I give birth to a new video.

Orwell · Post by **Orwell** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:56 am

there are plenty of good lip sync videos and non sync, it really depends on the anime and song choice. is it something that you'd wanna watch the character singing or saying or whatever the case, does the character your using fit, or is it a more emotional piece that just happens to have words. it depends on the feeling of the song and if the anime would fit the emotions going with the song or would it look good lip synced. by the way, after reading this, it sounded better in my head, but i dont want to edit it and the general idea is there.

son_goten · Post by **son_goten** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:41 am

i don't do videos for pepole!
i like my videos!
i want to make them cause i like them
cause i'm proud of my videos

anyways my biggest problem is the stupid app i got for editing
pinnacle doesn't even have an editing option!

godix · Post by **godix** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:36 am

I can't say one way or another if you should do lyric sync but if you decide to do it here are two very common problems with it that you might want to avoid:

1) Make sure someone can understand the song. Any song where the singer mumbles, the music overpowers the singer, is in a foreign language, has a horrible accent, or is in any other way difficult to understand then do not lyric sync. Basically if you had to listen to the song more than once, or worse yet pull out the lyric sheet, to figure out the lyrics then don't sync to it. Nirvana, for example, is generally hard to understand the first time you hear it and probably is not suitable to lyric sync.

2) Don't include an out of character clip just to do lyric sync. For example, if you're doing a dark depressing drama but stuck in a Love Hina boobie grab because of lyric sync then you have a problem. The overall tone of the video is almost always more important than any specific lyric sync, I'd rather see no lyric sync at all than out of mood scenes lyric synced. I'd suggest watching the final video without sound to pick out if you inserted this type of inappropriate scene easier. Not all cases will be as blatently wrong as my example so pay close attention to the overall feel of the video and don't hesitate to strike out anything that deviates from that.

If your curious, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 0558">this video</a> shows why you shouldn't violate the first thing. The lyrics are either japanese or heavily accented english so most viewers just won't catch the sync. <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 5256">This one</a> shows the importance of the second issue, it includes several semi-humorous clips when the overall tone isn't humor. Note, both examples are my own creations because I'm not going to insult another creator by publicly pointing out their vids as negative examples.

AquaSky · Post by **AquaSky** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:46 am

godix wrote:1) Make sure someone can understand the song. Any song where the singer mumbles, the music overpowers the singer, has a horrible accent, or is in any other way difficult to understand then do not lyric sync.

I've seen this problem quite a few times also. It does end up being really detrimental to a video. But rather than not lyric syncing at all, I'd suggest (for those who will put forth the effort) to add in song subtitles. And subtitles can be tailored in appearance to match the mood of your video, with the use of certain color combinations and fonts. For example, this video is a very good example of that :
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=22879

Having lyrics that are hard to understand is an obstacle, but one that can be overcome with the right tactics.

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:58 pm

SQ wrote:My version of lyrich synch looks tons better and has nothing to do with lyrics. :O

http://sqamv5.tripod.com/g/Page1.html

Very interesting... This is essentially what I have been doing with my latest project (which is a song in Finnish) but I've never thought of it quite like that, thanks.

As for normal lyric synch, I've avoided it since my first video (which was lyric synch dominated) even avoiding english songs so I did not have to worry about it.

The problem with it is that it makes a video choppy if used to often and even more importantly it ties the video to the song, thereby limiting your creativity.