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Post by Pwolf » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:15 pm

nice article, thanks for posting it.

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Post by Pyle » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:22 pm

Really like that comment at the end.

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Post by jigoku_musume » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:26 pm

v. fun read, especially since AMVs is one of the obscure(r) things about fandom...

*usedto, not anymore apparently!*

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Post by Otohiko » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:46 pm

Pyle wrote:Really like that comment at the end.
Exactly.

I'd actually like to see some sales numbers, if possible. That would be a neat study...
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Post by x_rex30 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:52 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Pyle wrote:Really like that comment at the end.
Exactly.

I'd actually like to see some sales numbers, if possible. That would be a neat study...
as always, I'm curious about that as well. :cry:

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Post by trythil » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:05 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Pyle wrote:Really like that comment at the end.
Exactly.

I'd actually like to see some sales numbers, if possible. That would be a neat study...
Actually, I bet fifty U.S. dollars that Wind-Up Records will experience no harsh sales shock. I have the result of their action here to back me up.

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Post by yuppa » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:48 pm

go bak and read my comment i posted to a previous poster.
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Post by Otohiko » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:50 pm

I'm not expecting a harsh sales shock, no - that would be naive and unrealistic of me. But it'd still be interesting to see if there's even any variation whatsoever.

I'm sure it's safe to say that most people who buy their music aren't interested in AMVs, or would be greatly bothered by this.
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Post by downwithpants » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:34 pm

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omfg win.

nice article, but lessig seems to demonize wind-up records though, making them seem like they have no appreciation for amvs, which may or may not be true. it's possible the company did like the videos - and the promotional effect they had, but were forced by law and/or company policy to send the cease and desist when the ownership issue was presented.

the problem here is the law, not wind-up records.
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Post by TaranT » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:19 am

downwithpants wrote:...the problem here is the law, not wind-up records.
True to some extent, however the law is being influenced and in some cases, written by those who represent Wind-Up and others - namely, the RIAA and similar org's. So, they're not entirely blameless for the current situation. (IMO, Wind-Up's problem was not the money, but control of images and representation.)

This was a good article although I'm not sure the attention is a good thing. By coincidence I was reading a related essay this afternoon (it was posted from Reason.com's blog). It's a transcript of a speech that Mark Pesce (tagged as a co-creator of VRML) gave in Australia several months ago.
It's a long piece (don't miss part II linked at the bottom of the page), but worth the read since he is somewhat optimistic of the future. He describes "hyperdistribution" as a new market model and doesn't buy the argument that without IP rights the artists will go broke. There's plenty of money to be made, probably more than they're making now. But viewers may have to tolerate advertising bugs on their screens (or other stuff).
M. Pesce wrote:Now, before you presume that this is all so much future talk, that maybe, someday, people will be downloading television programs from the Internet, know this: that someday has already come and gone. Per capita, Australians are the most profligate downloaders of television programming in the entire world, followed closely by the British. While the Americans lag behind, they're still on the chart, in third place. The sea change has already taken place - undoubtedly sped along by the monopoly position of the commercial broadcasters, who, in many cases, act as barriers rather than conduits for television programs. If a commercial broadcaster doesn't show a program, or delays it for years, that's no longer of concern to television audiences: they'll just download it from the Internet....

Another, more important economic question arises: if broadcast television is abandoned as the distribution outlet for television programs, how will audiences know what to watch?...The only long-term solution to this problem lies in actively encouraging fan communities - social networks which spread the word about the show....

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