Split judging system for an amv contest?

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:17 pm

I was wondering what would be your take on a split judging system for an amv contest. Where the audience vote counts for let say 60% of the score and the judges count for the other 40%. Would that be a fair way to judge a contest. So that way the contest does not fully rely on the audience, nor does it fully rely on the judges either. You get a good feed and opinions from both groups. Or do you think an amv contest should be one way or the other?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:21 pm

It's been done.

Adv1sor · Post by **Adv1sor** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:37 pm

To quote a very famous wise man,

"The audience is always right."
-Herschel Krustofski

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:30 pm

The best method for combining the two that i've seen are separate audience and judge awards. That way both parties get input that you deem appropriate enough to achieve your preferred sense of balance.

gwestrate · Post by **gwestrate** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:04 pm

At NanDesuKan in Denver its Audience Votes for different Categories and Editors Vote for best in show...seems to work out allright

ngsilver · Post by **ngsilver** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:57 pm

I've dealt with both kinds of voting as well as combination of them through different awards. Never thought about doing it that way.

I personally hold more merit in an award given to me by other creators then one by an audience. General attendees are easy to please (as anyone who has seen my awards can tell) but other editors are a pain in the ass because they are seriously biased towards so much. And then editors tend to each be baised about different things and well... if someone who entered the same contest as me gave me an award over their own video (lets face it, who doesn't vote for their own video) I take that as a compliment.

In the end, it's your contest, your making the rules. Who cares what the attendees want? They'll never be happy no matter what you do.

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:59 am

ok, i can sum this up for you

when i entered 3 contests, judged 3 different ways, here were the results...

When there were Judges (Crying Angel won at Anime Express 2004)
When the Audience judged (Field Trip Won at Anime Express 2005)
When the Creators Judged (AWA pro, entered 3 years, never won)

so judging from that, its MUCH easier to please the audience, and judges sometimes know what a good amv is when they see it, but you cant fool an amv creator. They know when you screw around and throw crap together at the last second!

godix · Post by **godix** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:22 am

The disadvantage of audience voting is that it is inherently biased towards popular anime, popular music, and comedy or dance vids. The advantage is that a video which the majority of people enjoyed will win.

The disadvantage of judges are there's nothing stopping favoritism other than the judges integrity, and integrity isn't something all that many AMVers are known for. Also judges tend to see more AMVs than audiences and are often burned out on the 'same old same old' so chances of something like a linkin park/naruto video winning are remote even if it was the best edited video in the contest. The advantage is that the winner will most likely be a well edited video instead of the one that just panders to the audience by tossing in popular animes and the FX of the day.

A combo system of judging has all the disadvantages I listed above however it doesn't have the advantages. The audience could skew the numbers enough that a piece of crap wins just because of it's anime/song while the judges could skew the numbers enough that the audience feels a boring video that no one really liked won. So considering that a combo system like you suggest has all the problems and none of the benefits I don't see why anyone would want to use it.

Besides, does it really matter? It's a fucking plastic trophy, a few dvds that are #2 in a series unpopular enough a company couldn't sell them so they'll give them away instead, and a slight ego trip. Hell, just give the awards away to the first editors who walk up and say 'hi' to you. That'd be only slightly less objective than other methods and it's far simpler to do.

KnX · Post by **KnX** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:07 am

I don't think that we should let the audience make a voting because most of them don't get a think what the maker did and most of them care about popular anime.
Plus they won't even notice most of the fx and sync so they won't give an opinion which will be fair for most of the creators.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:14 am

KnX wrote:I don't think that we should let the audience make a voting because most of them don't get a think what the maker did and most of them care about popular anime.
Plus they won't even notice most of the fx and sync so they won't give an opinion which will be fair for most of the creators.

If the only people that get enjoyment from your video are a bunch of know it all "Elitist" editors who think they well... know it all. Maybe you ought to re-think your methods of video making.

Yeah though, I guess sometimes (or all the time) audiences are very short sited about how much time [effort] we put into videos. Still, that can be said about everything in life.

I.E:does everybody go into a movie theater to watch 'Ghost Rider' and say "Wow! That was incredible how much time and money they spent on visual effects!". No, they say what most do "Wow! What a piece of crap that was".

So, if we only make videos to suit one type of person, is it the audience who is short sited... Or us [the editors]?