Where: #amv-review server irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 21:00 EDT (9pm) DL @ 20:30 EDT (8pm)
We are looking for 1-2 additional judges to pick the week's video. Judges are chosen based on constructive video submissions for the amv-review (pm me or email at quadir@animemusicvideos.org)
This week's video:
Link: (Petro - Peter C.) - 2007 - Red String
Editor: Peter C. (Petro)
Category: Drama
Anime: Eureka Seven
Song: Naoki Sato - Sprinting Spirits
Please don't feel you need to read the irc log before jumping into the discussion here!
IRC Log of discussion (see first reply for Quadir's Highlights):
Participants: Fall_Child42 (Todd Serge), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), inthesto (Alex Ying), Nojiko (Nojiko Kunakam), Otohiko, Pankyy, quadir (Olivier Beaton), shumira_chan
Bonus Video:Edited IRC Log wrote:20:36 <quadir> I'd like to thank everyone who submitted videos, from their own to other's they thought worth discussion. I narrowed it (Kionon is AWOL) down to 2 videos and in the end Petro's "Red String" got picked.
20:36 <quadir> Video: (Petro - Peter C.) - 2007 - Red String
20:36 <quadir> Link: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=141861
20:36 <quadir> Editor: Peter C. (Petro)
20:36 <quadir> Category: Drama
20:36 <quadir> Anime: Eureka Seven
20:36 <quadir> Song: Naoki Sato - Sprinting Spirits
20:37 <Fall_Child42> this seems awfully j-pop drama for my liking
20:38 <quadir> it's completely instrumental
20:38 <Fall_Child42> phew
20:38 <quadir> and a short video
20:38 <inthesto> I like instrumentals
20:38 <inthesto> I like short videos
20:38 <Fall_Child42> that's a load off my mind
20:38 <Nojiko> Lol
20:38 <inthesto> This sounds good already
20:38 <inthesto> BUT I KNOW IT WILL BE RUINED
20:38 <quadir> neg, go op foolz
20:38 <Fall_Child42> pos
20:38 <Fall_Child42> it's not downloaded yet
20:38 -!- Otohiko has joined #amv-review
20:38 * Nojiko is only at 40% download o.o
20:38 <Otohiko> ah alright, that looks to have worked
20:38 <Fall_Child42> oh shit Oto will review with us!
20:38 <Nojiko> Is it me or does the direct link sux? XD
20:38 * inthesto is at 50%
20:39 <Nojiko> Okay, saved
20:39 <godix> Good evening oto
20:39 <inthesto> Noj: It's probably because we're using it all at once
20:39 <Nojiko> Lol
20:39 <quadir> I wouldn't use the direct link btw
20:39 <quadir> you need to download local to leave an op
20:39 <Nojiko> Aren't we just that awesome x.x
20:39 <inthesto> Oh right.
20:39 <Nojiko> ...
20:39 <inthesto> God dammit.
20:39 <inthesto> I'm gonna punch whichever admin put in that fucking system.
20:39 -!- Pankyy has joined #amv-review
20:39 <Pankyy> hi mister quadir
20:39 <Pankyy> hi mister godix
20:40 <Nojiko> Well, back at 40% x.x
20:40 <inthesto> Wow, we're actually pulling in more people in this
20:40 <inthesto> Now if only we could do that for TYHMG.
20:40 <Otohiko> yea, you people got me curious and all
20:40 <Nojiko> TYHMG is awesome.
20:40 <Pankyy> just for qriosity
20:40 <Nojiko> Brb, watching
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20:40 <Pankyy> why did u choose that video?
20:41 <Pankyy> the link is as thread :P
20:41 <haunter103> O_o
20:41 <inthesto> You know, you don't really have to link the video over and over if the URL is in the channel topic
20:41 <Nojiko> MOST POINTLESS ZOOM TO FADEOUT EVER!!! X_X
20:41 -!- G_Q has joined #amv-review
20:41 <quadir> which link?
20:41 <inthesto> HA HA
20:41 <haunter103> o rite this thing
20:41 <Otohiko> aalright, watching...
20:41 <Nojiko> TWO OF THEM XD
20:41 <inthesto> HELLO MY FUTURE GIRLFRIEND
20:41 <quadir> inthesto: you wouldn't believe how many people don't get the whole 'topic' thing
20:41 <Nojiko> O_O
20:42 <Fall_Child42> are those lensflares native?
20:42 <haunter103> sorry, i'm going to have to pass this week
20:42 -!- haunter103 has left #amv-review
20:42 <shumira_chan> Watch it when it was announced... I had forgotten about it (not a good sign), but then I remembered I stopped watching it when I saw a teenage girl piloting a giant robot. Where is Satoshi Kon when you need him?
20:42 <quadir> also some clients will linkify something in the chat but not the topic
20:42 <Nojiko> There are no lens flares in Eureka Seven
20:42 <Nojiko> x.x
20:42 <Fall_Child42> lensflare fade :O
20:42 <inthesto> Wow two useless zoom fades in a row.
20:42 <Nojiko> Where?
20:42 <Nojiko> What time?
20:42 <Nojiko> I told you Sto XD
20:43 <shumira_chan> But in all fairness the editor made a choice, so I watched the whole thing this time.
20:43 <quadir> wait for people to have time to op
20:43 <quadir> we'll start the discussion @ 9~ish
20:43 <Nojiko> Sto: Those weren't even on beat x.x
20:43 <Nojiko> And FC: Wow, you're right
20:43 <godix> Wow. Suprisingly the video doesn't suck the sweat off a dead donkey's balls.
20:43 <Nojiko> That was one HELLUVA lensflare o.o
20:43 <inthesto> HHmmm.
20:43 <Pankyy> hi godixxx
20:44 <inthesto> You know, my friend told me Eureka 7 was waful, and now I'm inclined to believe him.
20:44 <Pankyy> how u doing
20:44 <inthesto> wtf lens flare fade
20:44 <godix> It's more of the sucking the sweat of a still breathing donkey. Which is a vast improvement to the last few weeks.
20:44 <Pankyy> wow
20:44 <Pankyy> godix makes me remember one of the tv of argentina
20:44 <Pankyy> xD
20:44 <inthesto> Does anyone know if the Eureka text is native to the footage?
20:44 <Nojiko> Where?
20:45 <inthesto> In the little matrix-looking device.
20:45 <Fall_Child42> on those little nokia cell phones
20:45 <Nojiko> Tell me the time on it?
20:45 <Fall_Child42> IE matrix devices
20:45 <Nojiko> Oh
20:45 <Nojiko> Yeah, it says Eureka on it in the anime
20:45 <godix> Ya know, forget the lens flare. I think what we need to focus on is how much crack does it take to make someone say 'You know what's make Evangelion cooler? If they skateboarded.'
20:45 <Nojiko> In English letters
20:45 <inthesto> Hmm.
20:45 <Nojiko> Lol XD
20:45 <inthesto> The zoom fades actually are on beats
20:45 <Fall_Child42> it's true.
20:45 <inthesto> But he doesn't do it consistently, so it's really easy to miss
20:45 <quadir> please guys, focus on getting an op in, we'll start a discussion around 9
20:46 <Fall_Child42> I'm just surprised that the majority of the song went un synched
20:46 <Fall_Child42> let's hard cut ever bar of music
20:46 <Nojiko> quadir: I think it started now.
20:46 <Pankyy> ok, some1 needs to teach me how to use the matte key
20:46 <Pankyy> xD
20:46 * Nojiko hates the matte key
20:46 <quadir> Nojiko: *cry*
20:46 <Nojiko> I avoid it
20:46 <Pankyy> i wanted to use a matte key
20:46 * Nojiko isn't really sure what it did
20:46 <Nojiko> I just clicked on it a few times
20:47 <Nojiko> And said "Errr... okay... err... no."
20:47 <Pankyy> on the matte key?
20:47 <Nojiko> Yeah
20:47 <Pankyy> it's for masking if i'm not wrong
20:47 <Pankyy> but i'm not sure how to use it
20:47 <Pankyy> ok i'm gonna see this
20:47 <Nojiko> WHAT A BASTARD!
20:48 <Pankyy> eh?
20:48 <Nojiko> WE CAN'T RIP ON HIS EFFECTS RATING FOR THAT LENS FLARE XD
20:49 * Nojiko rawrs
20:49 * Nojiko is kidding
20:49 <Fall_Child42> yes we can
20:49 <Fall_Child42> and did
20:49 <Fall_Child42> :O
20:49 <inthesto> Man, I wish I could leave the Originality score blank
20:49 <inthesto> Such a bullshit category. :/
20:49 <Pankyy> someone once said i wasn't original
20:49 <Pankyy> he was a jerk
20:50 <Pankyy> (?)
20:50 <godix> Is she a fucking albino? It's hard to tell where her costume ends and her skin begins. That is the whitest woman I've ever seen.
20:50 <inthesto> Everyone says I'm not original
20:50 <inthesto> Which is fine, because I'm not
20:50 <Pankyy> i made 10 times a naruto video with the same videos and the same music and they tell me i'm not original y don't understand people :S
20:50 <Pankyy> xD
20:51 <Pankyy> ok, this anime is crazy
20:51 <Pankyy> flying skateboards
20:52 <Pankyy> so
20:52 <Pankyy> why do u say that lens flare ending was bad?
20:52 <Fall_Child42> ok I'm done with my op
20:52 <Fall_Child42> Once again hurting my usefulness score
20:52 <Nojiko> Same
20:52 <Fall_Child42> I hope you guys are happy. >:[
20:52 <Otohiko> damn, I gotta start this op thing about now
20:53 <Fall_Child42> Oto ... $10 words ... lots of them
20:53 <Pankyy> do i HAVE to leave an op if i'm here ? :p
20:53 <godix> FC: Just wait a couple weeks when everyone has forgotten about this video the cut and paste the Kama Sutra into your op. That'll boost usefulness.
20:53 <Otohiko> it's really too bad I have no idea wtf is going on in this anime, I somehow get the sense it's supposed to mean something
20:53 <Nojiko> Pankyy, nobody will kill you if you don't =s
20:53 <Fall_Child42> godix nah I'll just do that to someone elses video
20:53 <godix> I still find it amusing that many of the people on the 'most useless' list got there by doing one of the least useful things you can in an op.
20:53 <Nojiko> Ohhhh, do it to mine
20:53 * Nojiko needs to learn more kama sutra
20:53 <Pankyy> i don't even know how to use that matte key that seems easy to use, i think i'm pretty newbie to give sugerencies
20:54 <Fall_Child42> Oto it's really not as far as i know Nothing goes on in this anime
20:54 <Nojiko> Actually
20:54 <Nojiko> That anime is like
20:54 <Nojiko> Completely boring untill the VERY end
20:54 <quadir> Pankyy: but you'll get mad sex if you do leave an op
20:54 <Pankyy> really?
20:54 <Pankyy> well i'll try then
20:55 * quadir hands in his op.
20:55 <Nojiko> There totally needs to be more than one review a week in here
20:55 <Pankyy> which hour is it there quadir?
20:55 <Nojiko> There needs to be WAY more videos to look at
20:55 <Pankyy> wanna see my newbie video?
20:55 <Pankyy> xD
20:55 <Nojiko> One is just... err... not really worth it
20:55 <Nojiko> Yeah!
20:55 <quadir> Pankyy: not right now
20:55 <Pankyy> really?
20:55 <Nojiko> Yeah
20:55 <quadir> bring it up in this channel later tonight
20:55 <Nojiko> 7 minutes
20:55 <Nojiko> =s
20:55 <quadir> Pankyy: or tomorow
20:55 <Nojiko> quadir
20:55 <Nojiko> We already discussed the video
20:55 <Nojiko> =.=
20:56 <Fall_Child42> Pankyy seriously, we are here to op and discuss the video in the topic if you arn't going to do that than GTFO
20:56 <quadir> Nojiko: you can bring up a video discussionin here anytime
20:56 <Fall_Child42> Well as i said in my op, the ending had some really good internal synch
20:56 <Fall_Child42> but the beginning lacked alot
20:56 <quadir> take it away FC, we'll start the discussion now that most people have their ops in
20:56 <Fall_Child42> Zoom fades outta no where
20:57 <Nojiko> The lens flare at the end killed me
20:57 <Nojiko> It just killed me.
20:57 <Fall_Child42> up untill then it was simply hard cut ever musical Bar
20:57 <quadir> but if you haven't finished your op please finish up then join in
20:57 <inthesto> Okay, op written.
20:57 <Fall_Child42> Lol yeah the lensflares
20:57 <inthesto> I will now use this time to call godix a dumbass.
20:57 <inthesto> Godix, you're a dumbass.
20:57 <quadir> I haven't seen the anime, but I'm pretty sure this is a AU vid
20:57 <quadir> and I'm really digging the coherant story bottled up inside 1 vid
20:57 <Fall_Child42> Big Fucking out of place wrong coloured lensflare fade to white
20:57 <quadir> no need for series context
20:57 <godix> inthesto: You're just jelous I haven't gotten banned for months yet.
20:57 <Fall_Child42> I'f only i could make comedies that were that funny
20:58 <shumira_chan> Coherent story? Huh?
20:58 <Pankyy> ehhhhh don't get mad at me
20:58 <Pankyy> i won't post it
20:58 <quadir> shumira_chan: didn't get it?
20:58 <inthesto> Eh, the story makes enough sense if you just read the video notes.
20:58 <inthesto> That lens flare was....ugh.
20:58 <shumira_chan> Boy meets girl? What an epic...
20:58 <Fall_Child42> Reading
20:58 <inthesto> I can sort of see why he did it, but still.
20:58 <quadir> hm, I haven't read the video notes
20:58 <Fall_Child42> 90% of the people here can't do that
20:58 <quadir> does he explain it for noobs?
20:59 <quadir> I mean the story is pretty simple
20:59 <quadir> and actually it's a lot like 'the letter'
20:59 <quadir> now that I think about it
20:59 <shumira_chan> The "story" is trivial
20:59 <quadir> which is kind of ironic
20:59 <inthesto> Trivial, but nice.
20:59 <shumira_chan> Why settle for that?
20:59 <quadir> I mean 'her and her cat' was trivial
20:59 <quadir> but I liked it
21:00 <inthesto> Yeah, what quad said.
21:00 <quadir> shumira_chan: vid isn't a 30 minute epic here
21:00 <quadir> don't judge it for a category it ain't in
21:00 <shumira_chan> A good story can be told in 4 minutes
21:00 <inthesto> If somebody summarizes She and Her Cat is in, you'd go "Eh, whatever"
21:00 <quadir> this is a 2 minute video
21:00 <inthesto> But the presentation of it makes it nice and heartwarming
21:00 <inthesto> While I wouldn't call this video heartwarming, it's simple and clean.
21:00 <inthesto> Well, mostly clean.
21:00 <Fall_Child42> it is.
21:01 <inthesto> Minus a few redundant fades. >_>
21:01 <shumira_chan> He could have made a better story in 2 mins
21:01 <Fall_Child42> It would probably be better if those zoom fades and lensflares were not in it
21:01 <quadir> shumira_chan: you didn't like the story?
21:01 <inthesto> Yeah, zoom fades and lens flares are icky.
21:01 <inthesto> But I can understand why he put them in
21:01 <quadir> Fall_Child42: I think you're focussing too hard on 1 thing :)
21:01 <shumira_chan> There was hardly a story to like
21:01 <Fall_Child42> zoom fades can be good.
21:01 <shumira_chan> It's not a bad video
21:01 <inthesto> If they weren't there, as an editor you're like "Eh, this video is to plain. Gotta put something more in it."
21:01 <Fall_Child42> just not there
21:02 <shumira_chan> It just fails at telling a good story
21:02 <inthesto> So you put stuff like that in, and you realize afterwards...oops.
21:02 <quadir> shumira_chan: would you feel more comfortable if I said 'I liked the flow of the video'?
21:02 <quadir> in that one event in the video leads to the next well
21:02 <quadir> and you can see the emotions pretty clearly
21:02 <shumira_chan> If you liked the story that's OK, you need not cater to my opinion :)
21:02 <Fall_Child42> again simple clean great internal synch
21:03 <inthesto> I would like everyone to make note at 1:11
21:03 <inthesto> That is excellence right there
21:03 <quadir> inthesto: clearly it needs beat matched borders
21:03 <Fall_Child42> I do wish there had been more synch though.
21:03 <inthesto> I think there's a lot of synch
21:03 <inthesto> Beginning, he cuts at each measure
21:03 * Otohiko is going to join the discussion in 30 seconds when he hands in that op...
21:03 <Fall_Child42> Seriously, they could have done SOMETHING more with the beginning parts
21:03 <quadir> I'm not an exelant judge of instrumental synch, but isn't he doing a lot of synch there?
21:03 <inthesto> I think the beginning is just fine
21:04 <inthesto> Cuts at each measure, has desaturation for the flashback effects
21:04 <inthesto> Fade out at sustained note
21:04 <Pankyy> what do you have agains lens flare ?
21:04 <Pankyy> why you say it makes it look horrible ? XD
21:05 <quadir> his lens flare was actually pretty sweet
21:05 <Otohiko> I thought it was a little shameless
21:05 <quadir> they didn't sell that shit in the doki store let me tell you
21:05 <inthesto> From 0:30 - 1:00, take note of when he uses crossfades
21:05 <inthesto> Always on a sustained note
21:05 <godix> The start sucked. The audio demanded something faster paced that a boy, a girl, and a glow green radioactive thing having a touching moment on the street.
21:05 <inthesto> Err, 0:40 - 1:00
21:05 <Fall_Child42> yeah 30-40 theres some misplaced hardcuts
21:06 <inthesto> I can see where the lens flare came from - all the letters were merging, so it's a point of interest for the eye, so he figured to have an effect originate from there to end the video
21:06 <inthesto> But it just doesn't really fit with the rest of the editing style
21:06 <inthesto> Yeah, he does this thing where he hardcuts and immediately fades
21:06 <Otohiko> that's also true
21:06 <quadir> and yet I think it pretty well summed up the "ever after"
21:06 <Otohiko> actually in a more general sense... 'sto is onto something there
21:07 <godix> I like the flow and sync though. Except a few of the fades were in your face but for the most part is was somewhat subtle.
21:07 <quadir> its like a continuously exploding sonic boom :)
21:07 <Fall_Child42> yeah i liked those alot
21:07 <Fall_Child42> Much of the synch really kept me interested
21:07 <quadir> sto is definatly onto something here
21:07 <inthesto> I'M ALWAYS ONTO SOMETHING
21:07 <Otohiko> I think some of the consistency problems in editing techniques were distracting
21:07 <inthesto> I'M FUCKING ASIAN AND SHIT
21:07 <Pankyy> so?
21:07 <godix> quadir: It's like a huge giant sign saying "HELLO! STOCK EFFECT THAT TAKES NO EFFORT AND EVERYONE HAS SEEN MILLIONS OF TIMES RIGHT HERE! AND GETTING BIGGER!"
21:07 <inthesto> Yeah, this video would probably be leagues better if the zoom/lens flare fades were gone.
21:08 <quadir> godix: just cause everyone has a screw driver doesn't mean I can't punch someone's eye out really effectively with it
21:08 <quadir> it's all in using it well
21:08 <Fall_Child42> inthesto perhaps you are right
21:09 <Fall_Child42> doing something with the rolling piano keys would be unessacary
21:09 <godix> quadir: Just because you can punch someones eye out with a screwdriver doesn't mean you should. If a spoon does a better job then that's what should have been used.
21:09 <quadir> also, don't dig on the ending lens flare too much, it's sortof his 2nd effect of that kind in the video
21:09 <Fall_Child42> but the hardcut crossfades are a tad jarring
21:10 <inthesto> Yeah, I made sure to mention that in the op
21:10 <quadir> 1:30 has a 'flary' effect
21:10 <godix> And trust me, for popping out eyes a spoon should be used. With a screwdriver you run the risk of driving it in too far and giving them a lobotomy so they miss all the pain and torture you're inflicted. With a spoon theres little lobotomy risk so they're right there with you suffering.
21:10 <quadir> hm, I can see what you mean about the hardcuts
21:10 <inthesto> Fade-cut is fine
21:10 <inthesto> Cut-fade is not.
21:11 <godix> I don't know. I kinda like the cut-fade effect although he does it too much.
21:11 <Otohiko> I'd subscribe to that, 'sto
21:11 <inthesto> It just occurred to me that the whole air-mech-battle doesn't really get resolved.
21:11 <inthesto> I mean, we don't know why she's fighting something, that's fine
21:11 <inthesto> But the fight kinda goes poof.
21:11 <Pankyy> battle are complications of life
21:11 <quadir> yeah I wondered that myself when watching it the first time
21:11 <godix> inthesto: He falls in her cockpit and buries his face in her pussy. That sounds like the type of thing that'd end an air battle.
21:11 <inthesto> godix: I only saw the fade cut twice, and it really seems more like an orphan frame than anything else
21:11 <quadir> I'd forgotten about it on review
21:12 <Otohiko> yea, that's where I wondered if I was missing something from not knowing the anime
21:12 <Otohiko> no idea what happened as far as the battle
21:12 <godix> Actually i didn't think it was a battle.
21:12 <inthesto> Eh, not a huge deal if we're dealing with a song that's about two minutes
21:12 <quadir> 2 huge mecks just hanging out?
21:12 <inthesto> t could happen.
21:12 <quadir> maybe they wanted to test their com systems
21:13 <quadir> WAZZZZUP
21:13 <godix> I figured it was more of a 'woman in mech just sitting around. Hotshot buzzes her. She takes the challenge and races him. Hotshot jams his face in her twat. She gets giant smile on her face'
21:13 <inthesto> There's totally two mechs flying around
21:13 <inthesto> One is shooting at the other
21:13 <quadir> AU video's are pretty rare
21:13 <inthesto> You kidding me?
21:13 <quadir> most people doing AU videos these days are doing photoshop vids
21:14 <godix> Oh, I guess one is shooting.
21:14 <inthesto> AU videos were all the rage at one point
21:14 <inthesto> Whisper of the Beast...
21:14 <inthesto> And uh
21:14 <godix> Nevermind.
21:14 <quadir> inthesto: with multiple sources maybe
21:14 <inthesto> That one Bleach video Bakadeshi made
21:14 <Fall_Child42> due to this discussion, the video got a bump up.
21:14 <Fall_Child42> :O
21:14 <inthesto> And I think one of the Wondertwins made a Bleach AU video too.
21:14 <Fall_Child42> this video is still better than the others we reviewed
21:15 <godix> Actually I find most videos are 'AU' as others use the term AU. It's somewhat rare to see a video that actually doesn't distort the source.
21:15 <Pankyy> 0:24 doesn't that scene look a little slower in comparison with anothers?
21:15 <Pankyy> i dunno if i'm complaining too much..
21:15 <Otohiko> I thought that a bunch of scenes actually
21:15 <Fall_Child42> "Alternate Universe"?
21:15 <inthesto> Hmm
21:15 <inthesto> Yeah, the zoom at 0:24 is slowed now that I look at it
21:15 <quadir> Fall_Child42: yeah
21:15 <Fall_Child42> i see.
21:16 <inthesto> But I didn't really catch it until you pointed it out
21:16 <quadir> Fall_Child42: he's just using the anime as stock footage to basicly make his 'short film'
21:16 <inthesto> Premiere's slow function is so crappy. :(
21:16 <godix> Of course, I also don't agree with how most people use AU. To me AU is when someone is telling a story and the original source story is totally irrelevent to that.
21:16 <quadir> and a song as scoring for the movie
21:16 <Pankyy> you're right inthesto
21:16 <inthesto> godix: How do other people use AU?
21:16 <Pankyy> and sometimes it picks up another frame
21:16 <Pankyy> :S
21:17 <quadir> godix: yeah what I said but you said much clearer
21:17 <Otohiko> I think in some scenes there's some some annoying internal mis-syncs, which wouldn't be annoying if internal sync wasn't used a lot, but it is, especially later on in the vid
21:17 <quadir> even clearer isn't a very clear word
21:17 <godix> sto: In general I find other people say AU when they mean 'follows the original sources story mostly but in a couple spots distrots/ignores it'
21:17 <Fall_Child42> I liked the internal synch
21:18 <Otohiko> I liked it where it worked, though
21:18 <quadir> godix: they lie
21:18 <Otohiko> and later on in the vid, I think it mostly did
21:18 <inthesto> godix: Huh, well I guess I'm close to your definition, what with using Whisper of the Beast as the baseline for AU videos
21:18 <Otohiko> there were some really nice sky-board-thing moments that used it nicely
21:18 <inthesto> 1:11
21:18 <inthesto> FOR THE LOVE OF GOD 1:11
21:18 <quadir> oh man I just thought these flying boards are so 'Back to the future' :(
21:18 <Fall_Child42> Oto with the green trails?
21:19 <godix> I thought the sync was decent. He used a variety of ways to do it which beats the videos where the person keeps doing the exact same sync over and over and over again like a monkey with wires in his head hitting the button that makes him come all day long.
21:19 <Pankyy> what happens at 1:11?
21:19 <Otohiko> FC - that and even earlier
21:19 <inthesto> JESUS HAPPENS AT 1:11
21:19 <quadir> guy on skaeboard is being shot at
21:19 <Fall_Child42> I agree
21:19 <Pankyy> ah
21:19 <Pankyy> right
21:19 <inthesto> The guy zooms up as the melody ramps up
21:19 <Pankyy> that's 1:12
21:19 <inthesto> NO THAT IS 1:11 I AM NEVER WRONG
21:19 <Pankyy> well that would be too much thinking inthesto
21:19 <G_Q> Op'd
21:19 <Pankyy> xD
21:20 <Otohiko> I thought that bit from 1:00 that goes with those swells in the music is pretty well done
21:20 <Fall_Child42> no it's really good there
21:20 <Pankyy> while the melody ramps up the guy too?
21:20 <G_Q> I just didn't get it.
21:20 <Fall_Child42> Yeah i wish the entire video was like that
21:20 <Fall_Child42> and it mostly is
21:20 <G_Q> (But then again, do you have to see all of Eureka Seven to get it?)
21:20 <Otohiko> it mostly is, yea
21:20 <Pankyy> why would they put "warning" in japanese and in english?
21:20 <godix> I mean he does hard cuts, fades, internal sync, and general mood sync. It nice to see a variety there. Keeps it from getting boring.
21:21 <quadir> G_Q: ah, a few people had that problem. it's completely AU, no need for anime.. got read the vid notes
21:21 <Otohiko> I think one of the problems is that it can't decide which parts of the music it wants to sync to sometimes
21:22 <quadir> Pankyy: the english is to make it cool, the japanese is to make him freak out
21:22 <godix> Otohiko: I'll agree with that. He does a variety of syncs so sometimes it appears he missed a sync entirely or synced to something minor that it looks weird.
21:22 <Pankyy> ah
21:22 <Pankyy> i see
21:22 <Pankyy> :P
21:22 <shumira_chan> An amv should not need FX to keep it from being boring
21:22 <G_Q> I'm still seeing spots from the ending @_@
21:22 <Otohiko> I think the percussion track should've just been allowed to run in the background, I think a few times he tries to sync to it and it interferes with what the strings are doing - and the strings are the more prominent part there
21:22 <Pankyy> what are the 0:28 and 0:31 beats for?
21:23 <quadir> G_Q: so what did you think of it?
21:23 <G_Q> Technically awesome, but really boring conceptually.
21:23 <quadir> inthesto has been ranting a lot about music scoring sync
21:24 <quadir> really subttle shit
21:24 <Pankyy> well let's say most of drama / romance are somehow boring
21:24 <godix> The beginning still bugs me though.
21:24 <shumira_chan> Anyway, the fact that the discussion again has veered towards discussing lens-flares and sync at 01:23.67454 is a tell-tale sign that this video really has very little to say
21:24 <quadir> shumira_chan: ugh? excuse me?
21:24 <Otohiko> hmm
21:24 <G_Q> Pankyy: But, this was even more boring than your typical romantic drama theme. :(
21:24 <quadir> shumira_chan: people are talking about musical scoring
21:24 <G_Q> And I like that type of vid.
21:24 <quadir> shumira_chan: so I suggest you go flame elsewhere
21:25 <Pankyy> with theme you mean concept?
21:25 <quadir> shumira_chan: people got over the lens flare SO long ago, where were you?
21:25 <Pankyy> i didn't understand you well
21:25 <Otohiko> I'm not sure what to think of it as far as concept, I think it's... obvious
21:25 <Otohiko> it could've done better with getting the scene choices more cohesively and not confusing the people who don't know the anime
21:26 <Otohiko> e.g. what the beginning has to do with everything
21:26 <Otohiko> where the old dude comes from, and/or what happens to the mech battle?
21:26 <Pankyy> mech battles never finish
21:26 <Pankyy> it's a fact xD
21:26 <Otohiko> don't know what to make of those, I think they're just sort of dropped
21:26 <inthesto> Yeah, old dude is a little weird
21:26 <Pankyy> more when you have skateboarding robots
21:26 <Otohiko> well there wasn't a single explosion
21:26 <inthesto> I think it was in there to introduce the purple rock
21:26 <Otohiko> I think the old dude was... dramatic, but came out of nowhere
21:26 <inthesto> Which is obviously the key to their love.
21:26 <Fall_Child42> look the show has no character development
21:27 <Fall_Child42> why would the video?
21:27 <shumira_chan> Oh yes, the lens flare is old, I see that the beats are the new hotness
21:27 <shumira_chan> I'm blunt, BTW, don't take me too seriously :)
21:27 <Pankyy> ok, dunno if someone read me
21:27 <Otohiko> well, mech battles are not character development!
21:27 <Pankyy> but as i said, the beats or how it's called at 0:28 and 0:31 are right to you?
21:27 <quadir> the old dude was so 'dad gimme the keys I'm taking your ride :)'
21:27 <godix> The start seemed like it had a point to the story, to give the kid the glow green radioactive thing that will scramble his genes and mutate him into a horrible monster something like SQ.
21:28 <inthesto> pankyy: It's on beat, but that doesn't make it fit the video
21:28 <Fall_Child42> tentacle genitles rape manhattan
21:28 <Fall_Child42> now THATS an anime
21:28 <quadir> shumira_chan: nobody is talking beats
21:28 <Pankyy> it's on beat?
21:28 <quadir> except him apparently
21:28 <Pankyy> hey look here something
21:28 <inthesto> Yeah, listen to the drumline.
21:28 <godix> I just think the start was boring and didn't fit the music at all. It was bad enough that if I wasn't oping it I would have deleted it before I ever got to the part that flows better.
21:28 <inthesto> It's pretty soft
21:28 <Pankyy> 1:26 hard acceleration
21:29 <Pankyy> it seems he used the acceleration of premiere xD
21:29 <Otohiko> tentacle gentiles? lies, we all know who raped manhattan!
21:29 <Pankyy> if you pay a little attention you'll see it
21:29 <quadir> godix: you'd delete anything that didn't give you an instant hard-on
21:29 <Fall_Child42> I'm all editing in premiere and it suddenly accelerates
21:29 <godix> quadir: Not true. I've kept some videos that left me limp.
21:29 <Fall_Child42> and i'm all
21:29 <Fall_Child42> OH SHIT V-TEC JUST KICKED IN YO
21:30 <quadir> turn off the TURBO BUTTON on the case!
21:30 <godix> Like my own. Not a single one of my videos leaves me hard and yet I've kept them all. Well, someone of them at least.
21:30 <quadir> me I wish he had given more of a childhood backstory
21:30 <quadir> we see so little of it
21:30 <Pankyy> well.. let's say the song has no lyrics.. else it would have been even more difficult..
21:30 <Otohiko> I think we see pretty little backstory in general
21:30 <quadir> the whole 'message from an old friend' just doens't click at the beginning
21:31 <godix> the story was simple enough I don't think it's needed. hell, it wasn't even needed to see where he got the turbo boost crap.
21:31 <Otohiko> that's where I think the beginning doesn't do its job
21:31 <quadir> that they actually know each other
21:31 <shumira_chan> where are _you_quadir? :)
21:31 <shumira_chan> OK, let's try this. Pankyy, from a purely non-technical angle, what did you think? Is there a story there? Will you remember this AMV a week from now?
21:32 <Pankyy> mmmmm
21:32 <quadir> shumira_chan: I'm on character background as told from the amv right now
21:32 <Pankyy> i'll remember the skateboarding robots
21:32 <shumira_chan> :D
21:32 <Pankyy> and that green thing
21:32 <Otohiko> yea, if I had to reorder it, I'd probably expand on how they know each other, have some sort of logical transition to the mech battle, wrap up the mech battle a bit more logically somehow, and then the end would be fine
21:32 <Otohiko> and it's all make sense
21:32 <quadir> shumira_chan: to be fair I didn't find the amv that re-viewable (pun not intended)
21:33 -!- Fall_Child42 has quit
21:33 <shumira_chan> I agree with you, Pankyy, although I doubt I'd remember even that...
21:33 <inthesto> Oto: Of course, problem is that footage like that could very well not exist
21:33 <Otohiko> I know, or rather, I don't know
21:33 <Otohiko> just sayin'
21:33 <Pankyy> i remember when quadir had put me a promedy 5 in my planetes amv ¬¬
21:34 <Otohiko> otherwise, eh, I'd remember this AMV - but I do have a horribly accurate memory
21:34 <Pankyy> but he was honest so that is what really cares :P
21:34 <quadir> Pankyy: average = 5 :(
21:35 <Pankyy> i dunno how but that video now has 8,3+ promedy in everything
21:35 <quadir> I've kept this vid because it stuck true to the complete AU concept
21:35 <Pankyy> i think it was for the synching thing
21:35 <quadir> which I don't see enough of
21:35 <Pankyy> but anyway, sticking to topic
21:35 <godix> Panky: Out of curiosity, was that sentance supposed to make sense and you just failed or are you going dada on us?
21:41 <Otohiko> if I had to make a final note on Petro's vid, I'd say it seems like most of us here didn't really 'get' it, I sense that 'eeeh that's pretty good' reaction, but nothing beyond that
21:42 <Otohiko> well, there wasn't anyone who I noted thinking otherwise actually
21:42 <quadir> Otohiko: nod
21:42 <godix> otohiko: On the bright side, I don't feel the urge to wrap the creators genitals in fishing line and hanging him off a crane 50ft feet above ground just to watch as the wire slows cuts him balls off and he falls to his death.
21:42 <godix> So there's a definate improvement over the last couple weeks.
21:43 <Otohiko> yea, he did a pretty good job
21:43 <quadir> I still need more suggestions
21:43 <quadir> for videos each week
21:43 <godix> quadir: How about a video we'll like?
21:44 <quadir> and Pankyy has definatly gone babelfish on us
21:44 <Pankyy> babelfish?
21:45 <Pankyy> i hate not understanding some words T.T
This video is a sequel to Pedro's "Dedicated" (nominated for best first video in 2001 VCA's using Love Hina)
Link: Danny Lu - 2002 - Dedicated to Ana
Editor: Danny Lu (You chose Sam,the rest)
Category: Romance
Anime: Lova Hina [Spoilers]
Song: Take That - Back For Good
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