I agree that a lot of videos now are based around much more.. overused anime, but there are a few rare gems dotted around here.
As for your comment about some "really good anime out there" not being used enough, Samurai X is overused a lot, and while Inuyasha, Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist may be pretty common anime to see in a video, the majority of videos are slapped together cheesily and aren't a great watch. However, videos like Whisper of the Beast and (a personal fave) The Naming of Men show there's a load of oppotunities out there to make great videos to great music which isn't even near overused.
I do, however, agree that we need more Steel Angel Kurumi videos. (seriously though, I had to say that.)
I think you're making a valid point but you need to keep looking around the site for the videos that aren't famous, but are just as good as the "greatest" videos here. (Shameless plug of another favorite video: the best damn Saikano video in the universe </i>so far.</i>)
Checking through random user's top 10 list usually introduces you to some pretty awesome videos which are (the majority of the time) pretty unusual or, damn memorable. Guess it depends how you look at it.[/url]
The "Good" AMVs on this website
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Earl6282
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I know that. I wasn't exactly speaking literally. I was saying that Rurouni Kenshin is a kiddy version of Samurai because typically anybody that can't handle the dark and bloody themes of Samurai X, they decide they'd rather see a series where Kenshin decides he's not going to kill anymore, even though everyone's after his head, where Yahiko gets into little humorous quarrels with Kaoru.OtakuMan22 wrote:FIRST! Samurai X IS Rurouni Kenshin, not a kiddy-fied version. The Rurouni Kenshin TV series IS the original Kenshin based off the manga. The Samurai X OAV and the second Kenshin movie use more serious and dramatic styles because that's where the OAV AND MOVIE DIRECTORS wanted to take it, NOT THE MANGA-KA, the guy who made Kenshin!
Like I said, I know this came after that and that Samurai X and Kenshin have the same Kenshin Himura. I was comparing their overall themes.
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Earl6282
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Sorry, it was a typing mistake. I checked out the Recommended AMVs and accidentally wrote "Suggested"Corran wrote:Just because they consist of those sources does not mean the videos suck. You don't have to be original to make something people like.
If they are on the top list then that means they must stand out in some way or another. Give those videos a chance before you bash them for using something popular/overused.
BTW the suggestion forum is not the same as the recommendion forum that Zarx linked to.
The two words "Recommended" and "Suggested" are quite the same in meaning, which is why I made that typo.
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Castor Troy
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Castor Troy
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OtakuMan22
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They really need an Edit button around here.
Anyway, the thing with Samurai X and Rurouni Kenshin is that Samurai X was simply some shmancy name that some anime marketing person thought would push more copies. Samurai X is still Rurouni Kenshin, just an OAV prequel to Kenshin.
The notion here is that Kenshin went from bloodthirsty, misguided killer, to someone who puts on a mask of happiness in order to be able to enjoy the simpler and more enjoyable things in life. He fakes it so he can be happy again.
The idea is that in the Kenshin TV series, there is a dark side to Kenshin that many are not familiar with, especially the characters near Kenshin like Yahiko, Sano, and Kaoru. The Kenshin OAV gave people a look inside Kenshin's past to see what was in his head, and how he became the Battousai to begin with.
But that's going into too much detail and I think I'm ranting away from the point. To be honest, I've found a number of "Samurai X" vids as well as Kenshin vids. Kenshin is a good source of anime footage because the series is so long at more than 100 episodes. That's a lot of good action and plot footage for vids. The OAV, while not as long, still has some good stuff going for it, and I recall a good vid of it to "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" which fit pretty well.
The more source footage there is, the easier it is to make AMVs. That's a good reason why DBZ, Sailor Moon, Naruto, Kenshin, and the others have so many AMVs. The source footage is so abundant, that people think they can do anything and make it work in an AMV. NOT TRUE! The opposite is in fact true, because to make a good AMV with a series with so much footage, picking the RIGHT clip for the RIGHT section of the music is VERY difficult. With so much to choose from, getting the best match requires LOTS and LOTS of reviewing the different suitable pieces of footage, and then tying it all together into a coherent theme.
It's tricky to get this right, but with time and effort, it can be done. The problem is in the popularity of it that brings in people who don't want to put in that time and effort, and that leads to crummy videos.
The most amazing thing that can happen to an AMV is when it turns out good BY ACCIDENT! I call upon the video of Record of Lodoss War TV to Monty Python's "Camelot" song. This vid was made in less than 2 weeks if I remember correctly, and the person did it "for fun" because the thought it'd be a funny idea.
Well it turns that the funny idea was funny enough, that it propelled the vid forward into infamy, and is still one of my favorite short, but sweet, funny videos. Even though the time they put in was minimal, and effort was not as strong as usual, it was STILL really good! And that surprised the AMV creator too!
More talent in the world of AMVs isn't a bad thing, but the sheer LACK of talent that we can see is really becoming annoying. That's what the people who have a good head on their shoulders...
(For example, someone who knows their AMVs, but can't make them, does not make that person unable to tell a good AMV from a bad one, and what it is about it that makes them think and feel this way. It's the same way critics are with movies. They don't make them, but they can pinpoint the flaws and good points from their position outside of the movie's production)
... and the AMV creators who have a great track record of good AMVs need to help out the youthful aspirationalists and try and get them to understand what makes a video good, how it can be made original, and what is the best way to get it right.
Now what I want to know is what the best way to do that is!
~Otaku-Man
Anyway, the thing with Samurai X and Rurouni Kenshin is that Samurai X was simply some shmancy name that some anime marketing person thought would push more copies. Samurai X is still Rurouni Kenshin, just an OAV prequel to Kenshin.
The notion here is that Kenshin went from bloodthirsty, misguided killer, to someone who puts on a mask of happiness in order to be able to enjoy the simpler and more enjoyable things in life. He fakes it so he can be happy again.
The idea is that in the Kenshin TV series, there is a dark side to Kenshin that many are not familiar with, especially the characters near Kenshin like Yahiko, Sano, and Kaoru. The Kenshin OAV gave people a look inside Kenshin's past to see what was in his head, and how he became the Battousai to begin with.
But that's going into too much detail and I think I'm ranting away from the point. To be honest, I've found a number of "Samurai X" vids as well as Kenshin vids. Kenshin is a good source of anime footage because the series is so long at more than 100 episodes. That's a lot of good action and plot footage for vids. The OAV, while not as long, still has some good stuff going for it, and I recall a good vid of it to "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" which fit pretty well.
The more source footage there is, the easier it is to make AMVs. That's a good reason why DBZ, Sailor Moon, Naruto, Kenshin, and the others have so many AMVs. The source footage is so abundant, that people think they can do anything and make it work in an AMV. NOT TRUE! The opposite is in fact true, because to make a good AMV with a series with so much footage, picking the RIGHT clip for the RIGHT section of the music is VERY difficult. With so much to choose from, getting the best match requires LOTS and LOTS of reviewing the different suitable pieces of footage, and then tying it all together into a coherent theme.
It's tricky to get this right, but with time and effort, it can be done. The problem is in the popularity of it that brings in people who don't want to put in that time and effort, and that leads to crummy videos.
The most amazing thing that can happen to an AMV is when it turns out good BY ACCIDENT! I call upon the video of Record of Lodoss War TV to Monty Python's "Camelot" song. This vid was made in less than 2 weeks if I remember correctly, and the person did it "for fun" because the thought it'd be a funny idea.
Well it turns that the funny idea was funny enough, that it propelled the vid forward into infamy, and is still one of my favorite short, but sweet, funny videos. Even though the time they put in was minimal, and effort was not as strong as usual, it was STILL really good! And that surprised the AMV creator too!
More talent in the world of AMVs isn't a bad thing, but the sheer LACK of talent that we can see is really becoming annoying. That's what the people who have a good head on their shoulders...
(For example, someone who knows their AMVs, but can't make them, does not make that person unable to tell a good AMV from a bad one, and what it is about it that makes them think and feel this way. It's the same way critics are with movies. They don't make them, but they can pinpoint the flaws and good points from their position outside of the movie's production)
... and the AMV creators who have a great track record of good AMVs need to help out the youthful aspirationalists and try and get them to understand what makes a video good, how it can be made original, and what is the best way to get it right.
Now what I want to know is what the best way to do that is!
~Otaku-Man
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If people are making AMVs just for attention & "stardom", then maybe - but most people I know (including myself) make AMVs for themselves. I don't care about using over-played music & anime, I just like putting my own favourite characters/scenes together with my favourite music.Earl6282 wrote:I mean... can't people be the slightest bit original?
But then again, I don't take AMVs seriously - too simple-minded, I guess ^^;
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Castor Troy
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Arigatomina
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When it comes to the number (and/or quality) of amvs for a popular anime, the question is always answered the moment it's posed. Why so many for a popular anime? Because it's popular. Why poor quality vids for a popular anime? Because it's popular and the more people using it, the higher the number of poor videos to it. I don't understand why this question comes up so often.
As for those poor 'great' anime that are so unappreciated...that's a fact of life. Tolstoy is great, I know that, most students know that, but I don't like his work, I don't enjoy it, I wouldn't recommend it to my friends. A million people can tell me how great an anime is, and maybe I'll understand why they think so. But if I don't like that anime, I just don't like that anime. You can't do anything about that. I like YYH, you like Lain. I'm me, you're you. Get used to it. If everyone thought Lain was a great anime, an enjoyable anime, it would be a popular anime. It's not. That may not be fair, but it doesn't change the fact that more people enjoy watching DBZ than they do Lain. That's life. Consider yourself a 'proper anime enthusiast' and leave the 'Cartoon Network' people alone. I liked YYH before it came to the US because it was an anime I like. I didn't like it because it was popular and I don't like amvs for it because it's popular. I like it because I like the anime. Popularity comes from the anime first - either you like it or you don't. If you don't, that's your problem.
Maybe the real question should be why people don't make amvs to anime they don't like. You don't have to like an anime to use it for a video, and assuming you have editing skills, those people who do like the anime will love the video. Why don't more people cater to them? Bad question. A good question is why the people who want to be catered to don't go make their own videos to those unliked/rare anime. If you want good vids to anime you like - while everyone else is making vids to anime you don't like, then maybe you should make a vid for yourself, or better yet, pay someone to make you one.
If it's a bad thing to make amvs because you want to, or because you 'can', then turn amv-making into a market. If you're not paying for it, you don't get to dictate how it's done. You can like or hate, but you have no right to demand or expect change. Buy yourself an amv-editor and pay him to make what you want, how you want it. Or better yet, find yourself a Newbie and teach him how to do it your way - free service, with you having as much control as if you'd gotten off your backside and done it yourself. You just have to find someone eager-to-please with an innate talent at editing. There are a lot of people like that here.
I wouldn't run around complaining that no one is making great vids for the genre I like, just because I'm not good enough to make them for myself. I'll do what I can and hope some like-minded individual with far superior editing skills comes around to share his vids with me. Amvs are self-service in my eyes. If no one is giving you what you want, you make it yourself or you suck it up and be happy with what you can get for free. Sure, I might get irritated at all the Inuyasha/Kagome vids (more vids for that pairing than all the YYH vids on this site) - but I'm not going to tell them to stop making IY/Kag vids and start making YYH vids. People make what they want and I think that's how it should be in a non-for-profit hobby.
As for those poor 'great' anime that are so unappreciated...that's a fact of life. Tolstoy is great, I know that, most students know that, but I don't like his work, I don't enjoy it, I wouldn't recommend it to my friends. A million people can tell me how great an anime is, and maybe I'll understand why they think so. But if I don't like that anime, I just don't like that anime. You can't do anything about that. I like YYH, you like Lain. I'm me, you're you. Get used to it. If everyone thought Lain was a great anime, an enjoyable anime, it would be a popular anime. It's not. That may not be fair, but it doesn't change the fact that more people enjoy watching DBZ than they do Lain. That's life. Consider yourself a 'proper anime enthusiast' and leave the 'Cartoon Network' people alone. I liked YYH before it came to the US because it was an anime I like. I didn't like it because it was popular and I don't like amvs for it because it's popular. I like it because I like the anime. Popularity comes from the anime first - either you like it or you don't. If you don't, that's your problem.
Maybe the real question should be why people don't make amvs to anime they don't like. You don't have to like an anime to use it for a video, and assuming you have editing skills, those people who do like the anime will love the video. Why don't more people cater to them? Bad question. A good question is why the people who want to be catered to don't go make their own videos to those unliked/rare anime. If you want good vids to anime you like - while everyone else is making vids to anime you don't like, then maybe you should make a vid for yourself, or better yet, pay someone to make you one.
If it's a bad thing to make amvs because you want to, or because you 'can', then turn amv-making into a market. If you're not paying for it, you don't get to dictate how it's done. You can like or hate, but you have no right to demand or expect change. Buy yourself an amv-editor and pay him to make what you want, how you want it. Or better yet, find yourself a Newbie and teach him how to do it your way - free service, with you having as much control as if you'd gotten off your backside and done it yourself. You just have to find someone eager-to-please with an innate talent at editing. There are a lot of people like that here.
I wouldn't run around complaining that no one is making great vids for the genre I like, just because I'm not good enough to make them for myself. I'll do what I can and hope some like-minded individual with far superior editing skills comes around to share his vids with me. Amvs are self-service in my eyes. If no one is giving you what you want, you make it yourself or you suck it up and be happy with what you can get for free. Sure, I might get irritated at all the Inuyasha/Kagome vids (more vids for that pairing than all the YYH vids on this site) - but I'm not going to tell them to stop making IY/Kag vids and start making YYH vids. People make what they want and I think that's how it should be in a non-for-profit hobby.
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