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Post by x_rex30 » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:24 pm

I'm just talking about getting rid of interlacing or artifacts. But when it comes to things like adjusting the color, blurring, sharpening I do that on my own. I rather someone ask for help if they're getting trouble instead of using a cheap method that gives mildly good results.

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Post by Otohiko » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:28 pm

Scintilla wrote:I always thought that the suggestions on AMVwiki were meant more to be jumping-off points for doing one's own experimentation.

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As far as I'm concerned, there's no shame in following Best Practices discovered by others and tried and proven. I'm not saying to follow them <i>blindly</i> -- of course it's important to understand how they work and WHY they're good ways of doing things. But why reinvent the wheel?
That's basically what I've been saying.

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It's probably hard for those of you with technical leanings to see it that way - but for me the idea that you MUST somehow become a sophisticated and creative user of the processing/editing software to make good AMVs and that you HAVE to forge your own path is the equivalent of the idea that you MUST have sophisticated and unusual tastes in music in anime and HAVE to make stuff that's completely out there. Both are good for making AMVs, but neither is the requirement.

And to be honest, although I hold a certain adequate degree of respect for the .org, the 'technocracy' around here really annoys me sometimes. Again, a personal preference. :roll:
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Post by x_rex30 » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:29 pm

Scintilla wrote:If a video <i>looks good</i> (and isn't an unnecessarily huge file), then nobody cares what method you used to make it.
heh, I think that pretty much sums it up.

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Post by trythil » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:35 pm

Scintilla wrote:I always thought that the suggestions on AMVwiki were meant more to be jumping-off points for doing one's own experimentation.
That is precisely what they are meant to be. If people take them at face value, that is their own decision.

I personally think that it is a mistake to rely solely on AVISynth to do things. (Hell, I can't even use it in most of my video work, since I still do a good deal of it on GNU/Linux systems.) It's a powerful tool, and I'll support it, but -- as Nightowl said -- there's other ways to get things done.

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Post by trythil » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:48 pm

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Scintilla wrote:I always thought that the suggestions on AMVwiki were meant more to be jumping-off points for doing one's own experimentation.
That is precisely what they are meant to be. If people take them at face value, that is their own decision.
I'd like to add that, like most pages on AMVWiki, you can edit the script pages to insert suggestions, point out blatant stupidity, and so forth. There's a number of scripts I'd certainly like to do this to.

Oh, and you can add sections for different methods, too. Whatever.

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Post by Orwell » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:49 pm

Scintilla wrote: I always thought that the suggestions on AMVwiki were meant more to be jumping-off points for doing one's own experimentation. But if people are in fact making assumptions like that, then...
I agree with the idea that they are jumping points for experimentation, and one should experiment, but one of the problems I have with the.... entire AVS thing is that, besides the documentation for individual plugins, there is no real comprehensive guide that I've come across that will explain to me in a fashion that really makes sense. Despite trial and error, I still don't know quite how one would go about for cleaning this up or sharpening the picture on this. If not a comprehensive guide for everything, just a general one to let those of us rather new to AVS what's available and what there is to experiment with, how much can one really do in AVS.
Or, I've made an idiot out of myself because there is a nice guide they just keep hidden and the wonderful people in the forum would like to give me a link to it?

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Post by Pwolf » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:55 pm

i don't understand the issue o.O


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Post by trythil » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:56 pm

Orwell wrote:
Scintilla wrote: I always thought that the suggestions on AMVwiki were meant more to be jumping-off points for doing one's own experimentation. But if people are in fact making assumptions like that, then...
I agree with the idea that they are jumping points for experimentation, and one should experiment, but one of the problems I have with the.... entire AVS thing is that, besides the documentation for individual plugins, there is no real comprehensive guide that I've come across that will explain to me in a fashion that really makes sense. Despite trial and error, I still don't know quite how one would go about for cleaning this up or sharpening the picture on this.
Such a comprehensive guide would be terrifically difficult and byzantine, which I'm sure is why nobody has written it. There's loads of ways to do things in just AviSynth, never mind every OTHER tool out there. The way to do it, really, is study and experimentation. Keep your own notes, etc.
If not a comprehensive guide for everything, just a general one to let those of us rather new to AVS what's available and what there is to experiment with, how much can one really do in AVS.
http://www.avisynth.org/index.php?page=AviSynthManual
http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/
http://forum.doom9.org/

These are all good resources. Even better, if you don't want to be limited to just AviSynth, get a copy of some video references pertinent to what you want to do -- like, if you're interested in color adjustment, a good place to start might be Charles Poynton's work -- and experiment and study.

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Post by AquaSky » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:25 pm

I'm in favor of the script database. If a source has known issues, and someone works out a script that deals with them nicely, then sharing it with others is beneficial. And let's face it, if there were someone who would only use a premade script, a lack of said script would likely not cause them to become informed and write their own, but rather to abandon the cleaning process altogether. I don't find it to homogenize the process to an extent where it becomes a concern.
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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:41 pm

I use the scripts as a jumping off point. Finding existing scripts and looking at their functions (IE, just what in the heck they're supposed to do) is what taught me what to do with most of the filters.

And for example, when I'm trying to figure out how to clean up footage and someone suggests a new plug-in, I'll always find a script that uses it, to learn the syntax.

Now I can write most commands and tweak them to my liking.

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In terms of people being lazy, and creating homogenized footage, I don't really see the issue. In my opinion, there's a difference between showing someone how to get clean footage, and writing them a custom script to suit their amv.

It's clearly up to the person and their needs as to what they do with the script.

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